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-> >>: SB codes?
by Evgeny Shirokov <iae@...> (by way of M J Epko
<duckchow@...>)
-> Re: SB codes?
by (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
-> biwb: Re: vive la paille!
by (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
-> Re: Re: SB codes?
by <Strawnet@...>

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Date: 28 Jul 1998 09:22:24 -0500
From: Evgeny Shirokov <iae@...> (by way of M J Epko
<duckchow@...>)
Subject: >>: SB codes?

Hello,

Evgeny Shirokov from Belarus/Minsk/IAE here (may be somebody know me as one
of translators "Build it with Bales"(1996) on Russian and one of the
builder first finished SB house in CIS (Belarus, Zanaroch, 1996 - together
with Ken Williams and Louie Saletan from Solar Energy Int., Colorado)).
I would like to inform you about Building Codes for straw-clay and SB in
Belarus.
We have got straw-clay Codes on national level in 1997, and we will get SB
Code in 1998 (we forced Government/Ministry of Building pay for it).
Anyway, 9 SB houses were finished in 1997 and near 50 will be finished this
year in Belarus. Our SB activities were adopted as a one of the best
"Sustainable Energy successes in CEE" (Book of best practice in CEE, by OVE
and INFORSE-EUROPE).
Now we work with 0-Energy SB Ecohouse for Russia climate (magazine
Architecture and Building of Russia", May, 1998).

Best regards,
Evgeny

International Academy of Ecology,
Varvasheny str.,81-704
Belarus, Minsk
220002
www.un.minsk.by/IAE
www.nsys.by/ecology


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Date: 28 Jul 1998 13:21:28 -0500
From: (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
Subject: Re: SB codes?

Judy back with other responses interspersed below:
> A quick aside: Judy's input (and that of some other folks) has
>been extremely helpful... we've thought that TLS would benefit
enormously
>from having a board of advisors, like Environmental Building News has.
I'd
>welcome anybody's thoughts on the idea.
YES, THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF HELP AND SUPPORT MATTS AND I HAVE
ENVISIONED FROM AN ADVISORY BOARD. IN ADDITION, WE CAN SEE TWO OTHER
MAIN FUNCTIONS: SUGGESTING FUTURE SUBJECTMATTER, BOTH FEATURES AND
STORIES, AND DOING AN ELECTRONIC, STANDARDIZED EVALUATION OF EACH ISSUE
(IN ORDER TO THE TIME COMMITMENT OF EACH ADVISORY MEMBER CIRCUMSCRIBED,
FOCUSED AND EFFECTIVE). NOW, WE HAVE AN INFORMAL AND GOOD ADVISORY IN THE
GSBN, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER TO HAVE A PUBLICLY LISTED AND
COMMITTED GROUP ATTENDING TO THIS, NOT TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHER ADVISE
OBVIOUSLY.

>Austin, TX http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/Austin.htm
>Their city employees are nuts! I have a request in to Bill Christensen
>to see if he has any reliable info...
CONTACT URGENTLY: BEN OBREGON @512-282-8942 OR ben@...>
or SBAT through 512-302-6766 or <(email address removed)OR THE GUY WITH THE
CITY OF aUSTIN WHO DID THE PRESENTATION WITH BEN OBREGON AT THE
SUSTAINABILITY IN THE CODES CONFERENCE IN HESPERIA (DAVID WILL KNOW).

GREAT WORK, MARK...IT'S ALMOST COLLAPSE TIME, SO HANG IN THERE...WE SEND
HUGS FROM TUCSON (BUT THEY'RE SWEATY ONES)
jUDY

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Date: 28 Jul 1998 13:40:41 -0500
From: (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
Subject: biwb: Re: vive la paille!

Judy here..sorry I forgot to copy the original e-mail to the GSBN...also,
Pascal and Martin can now get the GSBN address from this forwarded
message. Also, Mark, just to clear up any confusion: Martin Oehlmann
lives primarily in the Netherlands, and his listed e-mail address works
when he and his family are there. However, they spend most of their
summers in Brittany, in an ancient mill they are renovating, built from
stone in the traditional Breton way. During this time, Martin totally
disconnects from his e-mail and phone (wise person that he is!), but
since he lives very near Pascal, he can be reached through Pascal's new
e-mail address while in Brittany. Also, Rene is a computer wizard from
the Netherlands who attended the European gathering to see if he could
serve the straw-bale community with his computer expertise. His first
act was to get Pascal set up with e-mail, including giving him a used
computer. Many of us are grateful to him for linking Pascal to the
larger community...we are all enriched by his presence. Thanks, Rene!
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From: biwb
To: Pascal.THEPAUT@...
Subject: Re: vive la paille!
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:12:20
Message-ID: <19980728.091120.5519.3.biwb@...>
References: <35BCDD9F.476F@...>

Dear Pascal, dear Martin....a warm welcome!

This is Judy...Matts also sends his warm greetings while looking over my
shoulder...well, actually, his hot and sweaty greetings from the very hot
Sonoran desert. We think of you both in the beautiful and COOL
countryside of Brittany, conspiring together in the straw!

Matts and I want to publicly (this is being sent to the GSBN network so
that we can formally welcome you also to the global straw family) thank
you for your wonderful hospitality in hosting the European Straw-Bale
Gathering in Brittany this summer.

Every one of us present experienced a new standard for straw-bale
gatherings....course upon course of excellent Breton cooking,
free-flowing wine and beer on tap, taking ample time to simply connect
with each other, tours through the breathtakingly beautiful countryside,
a fest noz...no wonder we accomplished so much in so little time! Straw
Build Europe was truly founded on a life-affirming foundation!

Additionally, Matts and I would like to acknowledge you both for your
heartfelt and wonderful work to develop straw-bale construction in
Europe. You both personify the best values that straw-bale construction
promotes. You inspired us, frankly, with your combination of heart, head
and hands at work together; we look forward to you both leading a
contingent of fellow Europeans to the International Straw-Bale Gathering
in California in March, so others can have the same pleasure.

And personally, Pascal, you are the HOST WITH THE MOST! We hope we can
return the favor to you, and Martin, and the many other members of the
European community who treated us with such kindness. And thank you,
Rene, for connecting Pascal with us all.

Abrazos Grandes!

Judy Knox
P.S. Mark...will you formally acknowledge both Pascal and Martin for
the GSBN...But don't let that prevent other GSBN members from welcoming
them also!

On Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:05:51 -0700 Pascal THEPAUT
<Pascal.THEPAUT@...> writes:
>Dear Judy, dear Matts!
>
>Its been very inspiring with you, thank you again for your wonderful
>energy, getting straw bale construction on another level in Europe.
>
>And more, its been great to meet friends, assuring intuition, that
>what
>we knew before...
>
>Well, Rene send this computer and now we are connected by email:
>Pascal.Thepaut@...
>
>Could you connect us with GSBN? I don't have the number here in
>Brittany.
>
>Presently Pascal and myself are reflecting on an open business
>structure
>for his new plans to work 100% for straw bale constructions.
>
>I found an enveloppe with the lovely greetings/messagges for the
>gathering in Brittany. What would you like me to do with them, as they
>
>seem to be universal.
>
>Its great fun networking in Brittany, probably a perspective that will
>
>grow. I hope the report fro the gathering arrived in time for the Last
>
>Straw as I transmitted it to Dennis and Francois to be typed end of
>June.
>
>Did you have a good time in Wales.
>
>Very best wishes and greetings from Pascal,
>
>Martin
>
>
>PS: Pascal did send you the letter, you left behind directly after
>your
>phone call.
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 1998 14:09:46 -0500
From: <Strawnet@...>
Subject: Re: Re: SB codes?

I don't know what happened to this post, but I didn't receive it back and
it didn't show up in the DCAT e-mail either so here's last night's
response to MJ's request. Sorry if others got this and it's a repeat...

David

Date: Mon, Jul 27, 1998 11:36 PM EDT
From: Strawnet
Subj: Re: Re: Re: stuttering in subject lines and SB codes
To: GSBN@...

At 01:38 PM 7/27/98 EDT, Judy wrote:
>>I'm sure David Eisenberg will respond as the most knowledgeable center of
>>code info

Reporting in, more or less live, from straw bale code central (actually
from home). David Eisenberg here, with the latest from the blunt
bludgeoning edge of straw bale building codes...Hoping to have enough
brain cells functioning to remember the pertinent details...

>I've already purged his phenomenal website, and hope he'll be able to help
>out with a couple blocks I'm running into.
> I've added an introductory paragraph lifted almost verbatim from your
>email (you're the BEST!). I haven't gone through the codes to determine
>which are LB, which aren't, and which are both... we're running out of
>time. Perhaps David knows off the top of his head, otherwise the
>distinction will be made in next year's Resources issue, which is basically
>already started. Researching what parts of the country don't enforce
>building codes would be a fun project next time around too.

Jeez, guys...I'd really rather not focus attention to the top of my
balding head, but if we must, I'd say that the only code I know of that
does not allow load-bearing sb is the State of New Mexico's. That should
simplify that piece, unless someone knows otherwise. I came across, just
today, the newspaper sent to me by Jack Gallagher, in which the Cortez,
Colorado straw bale building code ordinance was published. So I know for
a fact that it's for real there. I also understand that Pinal County in
Arizona adopted the Tucson/Pima code a year or more ago. Haven't done my
home state homework on where else in Arizona, though...

>A quick aside: Judy's input (and that of some other folks) has been
>extremely helpful... we've thought that TLS would benefit enormously from
>having a board of advisors, like Environmental Building News has. I'd
>welcome anybody's thoughts on the idea.

You mean I'm not already on it?...cool...I'll make plans for that spare
time...

>Back to codes: I've still got a couple calls out, but here's what I have
>so far... any comments will be warmly welcomed...

>The following straw-bale building codes have been adopted. However, there
>are many locations that are approving or have approved straw-bale buildings
>- load-bearing and/or nonload-bearing - under the existing code in that
>area (usually under a section named "Alternative Methods and Materials"),
>even though it does not specifically include a straw-bale amendment. It is
>by no means an all (codes are adopted) or nothing (can't build straw-bale)
>situation. Some areas, in fact, enforce no building codes at all; check
>with your local government.
>
>We're not aware of any straw-bale codes on the international scene;
>however, there are a number of international locations that have
>code-approved straw-bale buildings: Australia, New Zealand, Sweden,
>Finland, Norway, Holland, France, England, Wales, and Scotland, to name
>some of them.

How about adding a little request that anyone knowing of other codes
adopted, in progress or planned, as well as jurisdictions that are open
to sb, send that info to DCAT or TLS so that we can make that info widely
available on the web and in TLS? For one thing, one of the most
effective tools for gaining acceptance in a new jurisdiction is to have
the new building official talk with the building official in a
jurisdiction that has experience with the method. And the more we know
of and the closer the jurisdictions are to each other the better this
typically works - the more the merrier! What do you think?

>Austin, TX http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/Austin.htm
>Their city employees are nuts! I have a request in to Bill Christensen to
>see if he has any reliable info...

Stuart Hersh is the Building Official in Austin if you need to talk to
someone authoritative with the city - (512) 499-2994. Ben Obregon's work
number is 512-345-8817 ext 25. I still think the Austin code is the most
advanced version yet, though it too could be improved upon. This is an
evolutionary process.

>Boulder, CO ... We spoke with a representative of the City of Boulder who
>indicated that they would distribute copies of material to people who came
>to their offices and requested them, but asked that we not publish their
>contact information. We can respect that. Luckily for all of us, DCAT is on
>the ball and has published this code at their website

You might want to add that the ordinance they passed in Boulder adopted a
code for earthen materials as well as provisions relating to the reuse of
wood in construction, all of which is included on the DCAT website...

>http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/Boulder.htm#Baled Straw Structures
>
>California AB1314 (Mandate for S-B Codes in Cities and Counties) from: CA
>Dept. of Housing & Community Dev., Div. of Codes & Standards, PO Box 1407,
>Sacramento, CA 95812-1407, (916) 445-9471. Online at these URLs:
>http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/codes/castraw.htm, or
>http://www.snowcrest.net/smb/CALIFORNIA.htm, or
>http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/CAcode.htm, or
>http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=18001-19000&
>file=18944.30-18944.34 (part one, along with)
>http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=18001-19000&
>file=18944.35 (part two, along with)
>http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=18001-19000&
>file=18944.40 (part three).
>Technically, this is a code guideline that California municipalities have
>been encouraged to adopt by the state government. Municipalities that have
>adopted this code or a variant of it include Napa and Butte counties.

I'd reword it to read something like this (municipalities are cities and
its mostly counties that have adopted this, I believe): "Technically,
this establishes state construction guidelines which local code
jurisdictions can adopt or use. Counties that have adopted it include
Napa, Butte," and...is that all there is?


>Cortez CO http://woodsprite.com/cortez-codes.html
>I have a call in to Jeff at the Cortez Building Inspector's office 210 E
>Main St Cortez, CO (970) 565-3402

See my comment above re: Cortez - it looks like a verbatim copy of
Tucson/Pima County code but I didn't scrutinize it totally. It does have
the Tucson/Pima limitations in unsupported wall length and comprsessive
load...

>Guadalupe AZ has adopted the Tucson/Pima code; see which.

I believe they took the Tucson/Pima code and adopted it without changing
a thing. They just took my word for it that it was a good code, and
adopted the copy that I gave them the very next week! If only it was
like that everywhere...

>Nevada Code mandate: AB171, Straw Bale Guidelines from State Legislature,
>Rm 101, Legislative Bldg., 401 S. Carson St., Carson City, NV 89710 ...
>website? I posted to the CREST SB list for help from any Nevada resident.

This was really just a sort of peculiar piece of legislation that Mike
Schneider got passed, which said that local jurisdictions would have to
develop local codes for straw bale construction. I don't think this
one's ever been enforced...

>New Mexico S-B Code: New Mexico CID, 725 Saint Michaels Dr., Santa Fe, NM
>87504, (505) 827-7030 http://www.state.nm.us/rld/rld_cid.html; the text of
>this code is online at
>http://www.earthbuilding.com/nm-straw-bale-code.html, or
>http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/NMcode.htm

As I mentioned above, I think this (NM) code is the only non-loadbearing
code.


And Last But Not Least...the mother of all loadbearing straw bale codes...

>City of Tucson and Pima County Arizona Building Code, Appendix Chapter 72,
>Straw Bale Structures from: City of Tucson, 201 N. Stone, Tucson, AZ 85701
>http://www.sustainable.doe.gov/codes/azstraw.htm, or
>http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/Pimacode.htm

Mark - I think I sent an updated version of the Working Paper Update
Report, which I don't have here at home...but it is hopefully included
somewhere in what you were going to be publishing about it as a resource
document...It has some minor changes to the wording, plus the correct PO
Box, zip code, etc. But I like the "phenomenally
>comprehensive website" part...Let me know if you need me to dig it out and
resend it.

>The DCAT Working Paper: Straw Bale Construction and the Building Codes is
>being expanded to include adopted and pending building codes and
>legislation, and a list of code organizations. Also includes list of code
>officials available to talk to other (your) code official about straw-bale
>construction. For purchase or more information contact: DCAT, PO Box 41144,
>Tucson, AZ 85717, (520) 624-6628, e-mail: <strawnet@...>; phenomenally
>comprehensive website http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/barriers.htm

There were also two Washington State code additions that I recall
(vaguely though); one being a straw bale code for Okanogan County,
Washington, that it seems to me was adopted some time ago, and the other
being a straw bale code developed for farm worker housing in the state.
I'm trying to recall who the person, other than Ted Butchart, was who was
involved with the state code, but I can't at the moment. I may have a
number for Gary Headlee(?) I think in Omak or Okanogan who would know
about that one. Actually, Chris Stafford or Ted Butchart might have info
about both.

end brain dump...
reconfiguring for next task...
to sleep,
perchance to dream...

David

David Eisenberg, Co-Director
Development Center for Appropriate Technology (DCAT)
P.O. Box 27513, Tucson, Arizona 85726-7513
Phone: 520-624-6628 Fax: 520-798-3701
dcat@...
(direct/personal e-mail: strawnet@...)
http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat
http://www.azstarnet.com/~dcat/barriers.htm


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