Monday, September 21, 1998 11:01:04 PM
GSBN Item
From: GSBN@...,Txinfinet Incoming
Subject: Digest for 9/21/98
To: GSBN
-> Fw: moisture cure
by "Rene Dalmeijer" <rened@...>
-> [Fwd: The Picture] Reciprocal Roof
by Huff and Puff Constructions <huffnpuff@...>
-> Re: new government housing program
by Huff and Puff Constructions <huffnpuff@...>

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Date: 21 Sep 1998 16:38:13 -0500
From: "Rene Dalmeijer" <rened@...>
Subject: Fw: moisture cure

I am forwarding this on behalf of Martin he has e-mail problems at the
moment.
Rene Dalmeijer
- -----Original Message-----
From: martin oehlmann <dehlm000@...>
To: (email address removed)<GSBN@...>
Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 8:52 PM
Subject: moisture cure


>Hi GSBN:
>
>the following message might be not arrived properly, as my computer does
>not register it as "sent" (sorry if its double):
>
>here is Martin Oehlmann, Sportlaan 400, NL-2566 LS The Hague. I am in
>the network since almost a year and if you remember I organised the last
>meeting in Brittany together with Pascal Thepaut, who also is in. You
>might been mistaken by the e-mail number my provider is using at
>present. However if you keep using <martin.oehlmann@...> should be
>alright as I keep receiving GSBN messages under this address.
>Please deliver my message as I feel it has some urgency. Thanks a lot.
>
>Martin
>
>
>GSBN wrote:
>>
>> No action was taken on your mail by this listserver. Your address is not
>> listed as a subscriber,
>> -------------------- Original Message Follows --------------------
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> We did have a flood of rain last week in the Netherlands, a hundred
>> times more than usual. Some parts of the country had been rather wet.
>> Now it's getting better.
>>
>> Today I measured the moisture content in Jan Sonnevelds "butterfly"
>> shaped house in Ouwerkerk. Bad news: Because of this wet summer there
>> are some critical parts above our 20% moisture limit. Good news: the 4-m
>> high walls resisted a powerful storm.
>>
>> The walls are stuccoed with clay (Jan Sonnevelds choice) on both sides
>> and will be impegragnated next week with a limebased mixture. Jan S.
>> will install a salt-based "moisture-extractor", that will reduce the
>> moisture content in the house.
>>
>> The highest rates are measured in the centre of the bales; most of the
>> bales are luckily dry at the edges. You already can smell it at the
>> measure holes. I regard these bales as critical. If the moisture content
>> can be reduced within a short time and the outside protection works, I
>> don't expect problems.
>>
>> Jan will measure now each day to get insight on hopefully the drying
>> process. The lesson for me is: better coaching of an over-ambitious
>> architect and non-sensible building contractors shortens the building
>> period and the involved risks.
>>
>> It would be excellent if we could reflect on methods to cure wet
>> stuccoed bales. I consider pumping dry lime with air pressure into the
>> bales as a potential option, as I expect lime likes interior moisture
>> will stop fungus and hardens the interior of attacked bales. A similar
>> effect might be reached with clay injections, as dry clay is available
>> at the site. A heater might have a limited effect, as the walls are
>> rather big.
>>
>> Where is the sunshine?
>>
>> Best wishes, Martin Oehlmann
>


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Date: 21 Sep 1998 19:46:49 -0500
From: Huff and Puff Constructions <huffnpuff@...>
Subject: [Fwd: The Picture] Reciprocal Roof


G'Day All

Just back from the last straw happenning in Gloucester and then in
Marrickville in the heart of Sydney, I will describe the work that is
being done in Sydney in a separate posting.

I would like to share this photo with all of you of a Reciprocal Roof
that was built by Graham Brown. Graham has sent me his portfolio on the
Reciprocal Roof and it is stunning.

Would you please remember that Graham has a patent on his design but he
his prepared to share it with all, by way of some form of compensation
for his invention. I enclose his address:

Graham Brown, Out of Nowhere, Easter Tearie, Darnaway, Forres,
Morayshire, SCOTLAND IV 36 OST.
Phone: 01309-641650

Give him a call.

The Reciprocal Roof has been the subject of several papers written by:

John Chilton, Ban Seng Choo and Olga Popovic all from the University of
Nottingham UK at the time of writing. Three of the papers are entitled
as follows:

Morphology of Some Three-Dimensional Beam Grillage Structures in
Nature. Published Stuttgart SFB 1994.

Reciprocal Frames Past, Present and Future Published Lightweight
Structures 1995.

Sustainable Roundwood Reciprocal Frame (RF) Structures Presented to a
conference at Northampton UK September 1996 entitled 'Detail Design in
Architecture.'

I met Olga Popovic in Mildura two years ago where Olga demonstrated the
Reciprocal Roof at MADEC Earth Week. I have been hooked ever since.
Now we need to build one and see how much timber we can save on a
conventional roof truss system. I like the idea of using bamboo for
the rafters in the RF. I will build a fair dinkum RF this year. We
have built a trial RF at a workshop (see photo on our web page under
Building With Straw.)

I also attach our web site reference point to some additional photos of
the RF:

http://strawbale.archinet.com.au/Recip.html

Takes some loading so be patient. (MJ I have had the size reduced
somewhat and it seems to load a lot quicker.) If you have problems let
me know.

I encourage all those intereted to contact Graham Brown and see what he
wants for his idea. I have not seen a better roofing system that
compliments straw bale building. We can now build some wonderful shapes
that go like a hand in a glove. Be creative and all those Architects
out there have a go at something very different.

All the best

John Glassford
http://strawbale.archinet.com.au



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Date: 21 Sep 1998 21:07:07 -0500
From: Huff and Puff Constructions <huffnpuff@...>
Subject: Re: new government housing program

Good On You DEsert Dave

Never apologise for using band width (costs nothing). Great work and I
for one would like more info on how we can fit in and help you. I am
presenting a paper to the Royal Architects Institiute of Australia on
the 7/10/98 in Port Macquarie. The conference is their AGM and entitled
Are You Having Fun Yet? I would like to be able to quote you and cite
Bill and Athena's work in Mexico of which I do not know enough about as
yet.

Keep at them like a blow fly after a daggy sheep. You will win, blow
flies always do. We are all up against it with main stream building
practice in the so called developed world. However I am finding it
increasingly encouraging when I talk to young and upcoming Architects so
I would like to target all our Universities that teach Architecture. I
will need more ammunition such as carbon credits/straw bale etc.

I am also a wee bit cynical when it comes to Banks, Building Materials
Manufacturers and Developers. I honestly believe that one of our BIG
banks will go under soon as they are tied closely to some big Japanese
banks that are in the deep end of the septic tank. Who owns shares in
some of our manufacturers, miners and resource companies? The banks,
who needs to sell more product to please the banks? CSR. Boral BHP etc.
The Merry Go Round depends on 3% growth who needs the growth?
Politicians and their Economic Advisors, who are their advisors? THE
Banks. Am I too cynical?

So DEsert Dave you are up against it but you have a lot of supporters
and more importantly deciples, no, more like warriors who want to and
are going into battle with you and the likes of Bill Mollison. We need
much more ammunition via your posts on this powerful communication
device called the Net.

So if you have the time, we have the place here to learn from you Athena
and Bill and ..... well you all know who you are. I, for one see no
problem in becoming evangelical in preaching the good news that is
sustainable building, so keep up the preaching DE...

Regards John Glassford, preaching down under.

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