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Subject: Digest for 9/24/98
To: GSBN
-> Re: The Last Straw, part two
by Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...>
-> Re: The Last Straw, part two
by (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)
-> Re: The Last Straw, part two
by (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
-> FTP servers and such...
by Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...>
-> Re: FTP servers and such...
by (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)

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Date: 24 Sep 1998 00:10:19 -0500
From: Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...>
Subject: Re: The Last Straw, part two

M J

- ---IMHO (learned that from you, MJ) seems sb construction is still in
"experimental" and formative stages...may be too soon to certify
builders. I like the idea of certifying clients!
>
- ----Information on testing would be very helpful in talking with codes
officials, bankers, insurers, appraisers, investors, funding/grant
committees. Hope this information can be compiled soon and in broadly
usable format.
>
What tests does SB need to have done - a testing "wish list." In that
regard, is it time to resurrect BRAN (Bale Research Advisory Network)?
Thoughts, please, any and all.

- ---The Straw Bale House book has lots of ideas about what testing needs
to be done. Why not resurrect BRAN to do the testing --- but add
partners on a regional basis so we have testing for regions other than
Canada, California, New Mexico/Arizona. I am trying to find a
sponsoring agency and funding to do testing on sb structures we're
building in Nebraska and surrounding states, so we have data for our
climate, soil conditions, materials used, etc. I made a list of
research questions from the SBHB and am attaching that FYI! Also
attached is an e-mail I'd saved, related to research, too.

Maybe if we pooled our testing and research list, we could get DOE and
other agencies or foundations to fund these efforts on a broader base
than BRAN has done to date!

Testing and research would be a good program topic for the 2d Arthur
County, Nebraska, Straw Bale Conference in the year 2000, don't you
think?
>
Joyce Coppinger
Re:Build Associates
and The Straw Bale Association of Nebraska
and Co-Chair MSSBA



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Date: 24 Sep 1998 09:33:16 -0500
From: (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)
Subject: Re: The Last Straw, part two

Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...> writes:
> I made a list of
>research questions from the SBHB and am attaching that FYI! Also
>attached is an e-mail I'd saved, related to research, too.

Hi GSBNers,

A little technical interlude from your listmaster...

You may have noticed that the attachments that Joyce referred to above did not
come through. GSBN, as most listservs, is set up to NOT relay attachments
for
the simple reason that it can really bog down the server to relay a huge
attachment to potentially hundreds of subscribers.

The usual protocol for large files is to put them on an FTP server somewhere,
and direct interested people there. Those who want it can either go to the
ftp
and get it, or request it directly from the originator.

I'll be happy to set you up some FTP space if you need it.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

BC

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Date: 24 Sep 1998 12:44:20 -0500
From: (email address removed)(matts a myhrman)
Subject: Re: The Last Straw, part two

Judy Knox here...

Beginning in Issue #15, and continuing through future issues here and
there, The Last Straw ran a series of human profiles of people
significantly involved in the straw-bale construction revival. Those
profiled responded to the same nine questions we asked a wide range of
people. Question #6 was: What suggestions would you offer to a person
new to straw-bale construction, interested in learning more and getting
started on their own project? Question #8 was: What questions would you
recommend someone ask of a straw-bale designer/builder that they are
considering for their project? Compiling the answers to Questions #6 and
# 8 (both those published, and the many that haven't been published and
should be in "the archives"-ask Tom Hahn or search the file cabinet now
in your possession)would be a good beginning to this effort, since it
contains the thoughtful input of many of our more experienced straw-bale
practitioners....too good to waste.

In order to tap the wisdom of the people REALLY in the know - the
straw-bale home-owners who have already been through the school of hard
knocks - I would suggest The Last Straw sponsor another straw-bale
community survey in a future issue that goes right to the heart of this
matter, ie asks one or more well-thought out questions that allow the
straw-bale community to share their experiences and suggestions, in a
consistent format, about how to take responsibility for preparing oneself
to make the most fully informed and empowered choices for the success of
a straw-bale project.

We GSBN members could certainly participate as respondents, and perhaps
more importantly, see that the survey questions reached out widely into
our networks to reach straw-bale homeowners far and wide, even though not
currently subscribers to The Last Straw (heaven forbid!).

I would also suggest that this be treated as a mutual awareness and
education process between resource provider and resource user, and - as
such - we query providers about what to ask of potential clients that
would most ensure a successful collaboration and project.

Hope all of our friends and colleagues out there are experiencing as
beautiful an Autumn day as we are here in the Sonoran desert (with the
exception of our friends "down under" who are, hopefully, welcoming a
beautiful Spring day).

Judy and Matts





On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:03:15 -0600 M J Epko
<duckchow@...> writes:
> There's been talk from time to time about a certification
>program for SB
>builders, and it was suggested recently (by David Eisenberg, I think,
>or
>maybe it was Matts and/or Judy) that it's probably a better idea to
>certify
>the people hiring the builder - that is, certify the clients.
>
> TLS ran a series of questions some time ago that people should
>ask
>potential builders. Perhaps it's time to revise that, expand on it.
>I'm
>leaving as soon as I finish off my last-minute emails, and don't feel
>like
>I have the time to find and transcribe that series of questions - and
>perhaps it's better if we start fresh, and then compare it to the old
>one.
>
> Anyone have ideas?
>
>*
>
> We'd also like to run a questionnaire about tests, to compile
>as many as
>we can find. There's always something new popping up with interesting
>and
>useful findings, whether performed in a laboratory or a backyard. Some
>preliminary items to ask about might be:
>
>- who sponsored the test? (building agency, gov't, private party,
>manufacturer
>- was is performed in a lab, if so to what standards; or a
>non-scientific
>test?
>- is there a paper available?
>- what should be done differently in the event the test is repeated?
>- what surprising and unexpected associated findings were there?
>
> Other ideas?
>
>*
>
> What tests does SB need to have done - a testing "wish list."
>In that
>regard, is it time to resurrect BRAN (Bale Research Advisory Network)?
>Thoughts, please, any and all.
>
>*
>
> Please direct any time-sensitive private responses to
>(email address removed)as I'll be gone for a couple weeks. I'll try
>to
>check my own email from the road for any general private responses.
>
>
>
>Mark Piepkorn, Editor
>
>mail The Last Straw:
> The Journal of Straw Bale Construction
> HC 66, Box 119
> Hillsboro, NM 88042 USA
>phone (505) 895-5400
>fax (505) 895-3326
>email thelaststraw@...
>URL http://www.strawhomes.com
>
>

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Date: 24 Sep 1998 15:31:24 -0500
From: Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...>
Subject: FTP servers and such...

Bill, Sorry, I'm not versed in FTP servers and such...How do I get these
documents to you to share with GSBN?

Joyce


Bill Christensen wrote:
>
> Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...> writes:
> > I made a list of
> >research questions from the SBHB and am attaching that FYI! Also
> >attached is an e-mail I'd saved, related to research, too.
>
> Hi GSBNers,
>
> A little technical interlude from your listmaster...
>
> You may have noticed that the attachments that Joyce referred to above did
not
> come through. GSBN, as most listservs, is set up to NOT relay attachments
for
> the simple reason that it can really bog down the server to relay a huge
> attachment to potentially hundreds of subscribers.
>
> The usual protocol for large files is to put them on an FTP server
somewhere,
> and direct interested people there. Those who want it can either go to the
ftp
> and get it, or request it directly from the originator.
>
> I'll be happy to set you up some FTP space if you need it.
>
> And now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...
>
> BC
>
> --
> Green Building Professionals Directory:
> http://SustainableSources.com/directory/
>
> Calendar: http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/
>
> Bookstore: http://SustainableSources.com/bookstore



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Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:36:42 -0500
From: (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)
Subject: Re: FTP servers and such...

Joyce Coppinger <jc10508@...> writes:
>Bill, Sorry, I'm not versed in FTP servers and such...How do I get these
>documents to you to share with GSBN?

If they're small enough to paste into email, I'd just do that.

It's just attachments get stopped.

If they *have* to be sent as attachments, then just tell people that you have
them and anyone who's interested can ask you to email them directly. That
way,
those who aren't interested don't have to spend time downloading it.

BC

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http://SustainableSources.com/directory/

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