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From: GSBN@...,Txinfinet Incoming
Subject: Digest for 3/20/99
To: GSBN
-> Is it at a crossroads?
by Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>
-> Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads?
by (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)
-> Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads?
by Ecobruce@...
-> Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads? + TLS
by Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>
-> FYI, the old Alberta church
by Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>

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Date: 20 Mar 1999 03:13:59 -0600
From: Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>
Subject: Is it at a crossroads?

Hey all -

So what's the consensus about GSBN? Is it worthwhile? Is it filling a
need? Could and should anything be different?

The reason I ask is this: The list isn't free to operate - we gladly pay
Bill Christensen, the premier greenbuilding webguy what there is, for the
service (supporting him just as he supports us)... and the first year's
funding has been used up. Do we pony up for another year, or do we call it
quits?

I vote for the former, and will contribute the amount of one month's worth
of the service. (And I don't even remember how much that is. Bill, how much
is it?)

I also think that the GSBN has much greater potential as a useful vehicle.
I'm aware that several people here like the fact that it's lightly
trafficked, and that's OK. We don't have to (and shouldn't) be the CREST
list... but I'm not sure what we're doing here. Could be that none of us
have anything worth saying - but I seriously doubt that.

In conversation with Joyce Coppinger of the Straw Bale Association of
Nebraska (a GSBN member - hi Joyce!) at the International Strawbale
Conference last week, she expressed interest in seeing an international
coalition of regional groups... ostensibly, what we already are. I'd like
to encourage Joyce to take an active role in pursuing that, and suggest
that this list could be a primary vehicle - since that's what it was
created for anyway.

An active role could mean something as simple as contacting people once a
month and asking them what's up. I don't know. Joyce, what did you have in
mind? Does anybody else have any thoughts?



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Freewheeling autonomous speculation - Think!
I'm off the clock and on my own time, dig?
Mark Piepkorn (f.k.a. M J Epko)
<duckchow@...>
Kingston, New Mexico
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'Cause when love is gone there's always justice,
and when justice is gone there's always force,
and when force is gone there's always Mom. Hi Mom!
- Laurie Anderson, O Superman


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Date: 20 Mar 1999 10:11:10 -0600
From: (email address removed)(Bill Christensen)
Subject: Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads?

Mark Piepkorn,(email address removed)writes:
> I vote for the former, and will contribute the amount of one month's worth
>of the service. (And I don't even remember how much that is. Bill, how much
>is it?)

A "whopping" $20/mo. GSBN members had originally agreed to kick in
$50/year/group, with any leftover funds going to SB research or other such
activities.
>
>
> In conversation with Joyce Coppinger of the Straw Bale Association of
>Nebraska (a GSBN member - hi Joyce!) at the International Strawbale
>Conference last week, she expressed interest in seeing an international
>coalition of regional groups... ostensibly, what we already are. I'd like
>to encourage Joyce to take an active role in pursuing that, and suggest
>that this list could be a primary vehicle - since that's what it was
>created for anyway.
>
> An active role could mean something as simple as contacting people once a
>month and asking them what's up. I don't know. Joyce, what did you have in
>mind? Does anybody else have any thoughts?

1) are there groups that don't have representatives on this list? Is it
because they don't have email, or some other reason?

2) The list sends out an automatic monthly help file. That could be rewritten
to "ask what's up". But I think that this list is about something other than
reporting on individual house building projects, etc. Its focus is more in
the
direction of discussing building techniques, education, code and other
political tactics, broad scale promotion of straw as a building material, and
similar topics. Though we know that there is work being done in these areas,
it tends to be slower going than tossing up straw based homes.

Maybe we should start a PR campaign: "Straw: It's Not Just For Burning
Anymore."
>

BC

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Date: 20 Mar 1999 16:03:43 -0600
From: Ecobruce@...
Subject: Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads?


In a message dated 3/20/99, MJ Epko wrote:

<<So what's the consensus about GSBN? Is it worthwhile? Is it filling a
need? Could and should anything be different? . . . Do we pony up for another
year, or do we call it quits?>>

Bruce King here. Though no longer officially qualified to be here, having
relinquished all rank and privilege at CASBA, I paid $50 a year ago to remain
on this list (with everyone's consent, or at least lack of dissent), and will
gladly do so again (Bill C. - where do I send a check?).

Light traffic is fine; just knowing the vehicle (GSBN) is here in the garage,
whenever we may want to use it, is worth a lot. We effectively already have
an international network, and this is it. It is all the more useful and fun
since many of us recently had a chance to meet.

I for one wouldn't mind getting an occasional report from members on what
they're up to, but then I basically get that anyway through TLS. David
Eisenberg and I hope to scare up some testing funds in the near future, and
when we do I will put out for this list's comments our proposed testing
program.

Let me also add that, so far as I can discern, TLS is more than ever the
primary means of information gathering and disbursing for the SB community,
and will surely remain so for some time. I submit that TLS should use this
list both to get feedback, and to elicit support. Mark, Catherine, et al, you
are doing an outstanding and INVALUABLE service, for which we are all
grateful. Let us know what we can do to improve TLS (both financially and
contentwise).

OK, enough of my blither. Goodbye!


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Date: 20 Mar 1999 16:51:37 -0600
From: Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>
Subject: Re: GSBN: Is it at a crossroads? + TLS

At 04:40 PM 3/20/99 EST, (email address removed)wrote:
>I submit that TLS should use this
>list both to get feedback, and to elicit support.

Bruce, you're a helluva guy - thanks for your wonderful words. And thanks
for all of your, and Ann's, and everybody else's, work on putting together
that GREAT conference!

Now that we at TLS are mostly past the severe upslope of the
how-to-make-a-magazine learning curve, we hope to begin tapping far more
frequently into the brains and hearts of people both on and off this list.
Sometimes the wheels turn kinda slowly, but it can only serve to benefit SB
on the whole to have such a powerfully smart and experienced collective
behind TLS.

*

To Bruce specifically: has Joe Allen or Edwin Schmeckpeper been in contact
with you about their testing at the University of Idaho of the kinda weird
(but possibly seismically useful) patented system from the Bale Built folks?

*

To everybody, two items that I'm also sending to the CREST list, both
regarding Canada:

*

Anybody know about Edmonton's tent cities?

I'm reading an article about Gordon Gericke's place in Alberta that ran
last October in the Calgary Herald, and the article references Edmonton's
tent cities at the beginning of this century - people living in tents for
years with bales packed around them.

Does anybody have a bit more of this history at their disposal? Are there
photos around?

*

Redemptorist church on Bad Heart near Sexsmith, Alberta?

It's 29 miles SE of Sexsmith on the Bad Heart river in Alberta - anybody
know anything about this 50-seat SB church apparently built sometime around
1960? (A 30-day building project of mostly rye straw bales, total cost
$605.) The priest's name is/was Father Francis Dales, C.Ss.R. The structure
has/had no windows in the walls - just in the gable; that may help identify
it.

There were also evidently three SB homes and a community center in Bad
Heart, and one home in Sexsmith, along with barns and sheds in the outlying
area, that were planned and may or may not have been built around the same
time.

If anybody in the area is interested in researching this, getting some
photos hopefully, and writing it up or sending in notes for The Last Straw,
please let me know.

*



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Freewheeling autonomous speculation - Think!
I'm off the clock and on my own time, dig?
Mark Piepkorn (f.k.a. M J Epko)
<duckchow@...>
Kingston, New Mexico
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Never believe that a few caring people
can't change the world. For indeed,
that's all who ever have.
-Margaret Mead


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Date: 20 Mar 1999 18:01:05 -0600
From: Mark Piepkorn <duckchow@...>
Subject: FYI, the old Alberta church

At 03:20 PM 3/20/99 -0700, Mark Piepkorn wrote:
> Redemptorist church on Bad Heart near Sexsmith, Alberta?

I received this response, and am pursuing it further:

Mark: This church was built in 1954. It is a Catholic Church.The strawbale
walls are in better condition (last time we checked) than the fiberglass in
the roof that has had to be replaced (mice used it for their nests). A new
door was added a few years ago. Stucco on the outside, plywood veneer in
the inside on wooden nailers. The steeple is now gone. Looks to me that
there must be a spelling mistake in Father Dales' name (just kidding)?
Jorg Ostrowski



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Freewheeling autonomous speculation - Think!
I'm off the clock and on my own time, dig?
Mark Piepkorn (f.k.a. M J Epko)
<duckchow@...>
Kingston, New Mexico
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
He who is unable to live in society,
or who has no need because he is
sufficient for himself,
must be either a beast or a god.
- Aristotle, Politics


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