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-> Re:  SB Registry
     by "Joyce Coppinger" jc10508@...
-> Re: GSBN:The hornet's nest!
     by "Joyce Coppinger" jc10508@...
-> RE: GSBN:The hornet's nest!
     by "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
-> Foundations and Living Roofs
     by stafford@...


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Date: 25 Feb 2002 03:41:54 -0600
From: "Joyce Coppinger" jc10508@...
Subject: Re:  SB Registry

Thanks for your comments and plea, Bill.  Your suggestions about the sb 
registry are excellent and we'll try to follow-up and work to make the
registry a valuable resource, and hope everyone else will, too!

Joyce Coppinger
jc10508@...

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>From: billc_lists@...
>To: "GSBN" GSBN@...
>Subject: Re: GSBN:GSBN, Home Power, and more
>Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2002, 5:33 PM
>

>>Oops... sorry about that! I didn't mean to post my letter to Joyce to the
>>list (obviously), but at least now you all have some insight into the
>>exciting kind of correspondence that goes on behind-the-scenes at TLS!
>>
>
> Actually, that was probably a good one to let slip to the list.
> We're all friends and co-conspiritors here, so I think we can all be
> honest with each other.   If TLS can't get articles, that concerns me
> too, and should probably concern most of us on this list.
>
> I do agree that it'll generally work best to approach someone
> directly and *ask* them to cover a specific topic.  Everyone's busy,
> but if asked I think most would step up to the plate if they're able.
>
> Personally, I don't know what in the SB world I'd write about that
> someone else couldn't cover better - unless y'all want to hear about
> the exciting world of hosting various straw related websites.  I'll
> continue to give reports on the progress of the Straw Bale Building
> Registry, and would be happy to continue seeing it mentioned in TLS
> so it will continue to grow.  I'm disappointed that most of the
> commercial places listed in the last issue *aren't* in the Registry
> yet, for instance - here's a collection of buildings that we all know
> about, and I have to guess that nobody thought to mention the
> Registry project to any of them in the course of doing the article.
> Perhaps we could ask for some volunteers willing to go through past
> issues and contact the various owners to ask them to list.  As I've
> said before, I can't promote this thing all by myself, but it'll work
> if everyone spreads the word.
>
> Sorry for going off on the tangent there, but I feel that it's an
> underutilized resource that could become an excellent tool for the SB
> movement if we're able to collect enough data.
>
> As for articles, Leonard Jones wrote an excellent outline of the
> process of building any home on 1/4/02 to the Crest strawbale list.
> It could easily be tweaked for print, and I think it would be an
> extremely valuable.  It's almost all good, solid, voice of experience
> advice.
>
> BC
> --
> Bill Christensen
> billc@...
>
> Green Homes For Sale/Lease:  http://SustainableSources.com/realestate/
> Green Building Pro Directory:  http://directory.sustainablesources.com/
> Sustainable Bldg Calendar:  http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/
> Sustainable Bldg Bookstore: http://SustainableSources.com/bookstore
> International Strawbale Registry: http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com

> 



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Date: 25 Feb 2002 03:53:27 -0600
From: "Joyce Coppinger" jc10508@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:The hornet's nest!

Would you please share with me the reactions, suggestions, leads and ideas
you received from your "misguided" posting to GSBN last week.  It would be
helpful for me, too, to know what the advisory committee is thinking and how
they responded!!  If you could do this on a regular basis it would be
helpful to me - I need to be in the same loop as you if we are to be a team,
don't you think?  I am only trying to establish a dialogue with you as well
as with the rest of the group.  I'm glad this turned into something
positive, but encourage you to be thoughtful and cautious in your postings,
as I previously noted.

Joyce


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>From: Chris Magwood cmagwood@...
>To: "GSBN" GSBN@...
>Subject: GSBN:The hornet's nest!
>Date: Sun, Feb 24, 2002, 9:42 PM
>

> Hello GSBN,
>
> I want to thank you all for the sudden flurry of activity my mis-posted
> message seems to have inspired! My personal embarrassment seems to have
> been a worthy price to pay...
>
> Many of you have responded with excellent ideas, leads and suggestions,
> which I will follow up.
>
> In my original postings to GSBN, I suggested that rather than keep asking
> all of you to write articles for TLS yourselves, I was looking for advice,
> direction and contacts. I realize that everybody on this list is busy, and
> I want to make it my business as editor to do the actual writing and/or
> commissioning of articles, not yours. But in a movement as wacky and
> far-flung as sb, I'm hoping we can make like an octopus, with the GSBN
> acting as the clever, all-reaching, all-knowing tentacles that throw scraps
> and tidbits back to the squishy, gelatin-brained centre at TLS...
>
> Having flattered myself with that description, I await whatever's stuck to
> your suckers at the moment!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> ***************************
>
> Chris Magwood / Camel's Back Straw Bale Construction
> 613-473-1718
> www.strawhomes.ca
>
>

> 



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Date: 25 Feb 2002 07:24:53 -0600
From: "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:The hornet's nest!

Dear Chris,

It's not always easy to respond specifically as detailing varies so much.

Foundations in the Netherlands in some regions could be compared with those
in Venetia. Central Station in Amsterdam rests on thousands of wodden
pillars. However straw-bale structures are comparible light-footed we use
reports on the structural properties of the grounds. They can vary a lot!
Than we calculate weight of the structure, tensions caused by windpower
(tonight we expect an "unperfect" storm with 120/mk/h) and calculate the
measurements of the footing according the design. And as Barbara says, they
demand less strengths as traditional buildings.
Curiosities: I've seen a conventional structure on recycled glass elements,
a swimming option. Today a student phoned up with an illumnious idea using
air-cussions underneath the walls. In this case I just need to anker myself,
especially tonight.

Courage and success with TLS,

Martin

PS: this "European" sb-list recently is currently inflated by viruses. Don't
use it without protection.



- -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: GSBN [mailto:GSBN@...]Namens Chris Magwood
Verzonden: maandag 25 februari 2002 4:43
Aan: GSBN
Onderwerp: GSBN:The hornet's nest!


Hello GSBN,

I want to thank you all for the sudden flurry of activity my mis-posted
message seems to have inspired! My personal embarrassment seems to have
been a worthy price to pay...

Many of you have responded with excellent ideas, leads and suggestions,
which I will follow up.

In my original postings to GSBN, I suggested that rather than keep asking
all of you to write articles for TLS yourselves, I was looking for advice,
direction and contacts. I realize that everybody on this list is busy, and
I want to make it my business as editor to do the actual writing and/or
commissioning of articles, not yours. But in a movement as wacky and
far-flung as sb, I'm hoping we can make like an octopus, with the GSBN
acting as the clever, all-reaching, all-knowing tentacles that throw scraps
and tidbits back to the squishy, gelatin-brained centre at TLS...

Having flattered myself with that description, I await whatever's stuck to
your suckers at the moment!

Chris



***************************

Chris Magwood / Camel's Back Straw Bale Construction
613-473-1718
www.strawhomes.ca


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Date: 25 Feb 2002 17:18:52 -0600
From: stafford@...
Subject: Foundations and Living Roofs

Chris et al,

Regarding your request for reduced concrete use ideas and living roof
concerns.

Fly ash, a recycled waste from coal fired furnaces, has been used for several
years to reduce cement content in concrete. Most of our concrete
batching plants have prepared formulas for different concrete applications.
Depending on structural requirements the fly ash replacement of cement
may vary between 20% and 30%. Since fly ash retards concrete cure time its use
in colder conditions may not be advisable.

Stem wall foundations are designed for my houses up here in the Pacific
Northwest where the land is usually sloped and earthen floors arenit an
option. The stem walls support engineered lumber joists and sub floor
construction. This is the level on which I begin my load bearing walls.
Plastic strapping is placed under the joists and up over the top plate to tie
straw bale walls to the foundation.

To support double bale wide walls for the Saudi Arabian library project I used
two 20 cm, reinforced, concrete block stem walls 90 cm on center.
Between the two walls we back filled and compacted the excavated soil. For
this project I used two string bales side by side for the double bale
wide walls to give me the 4 meter high bearing walls used on the libraryis
perimeter.

I first heard of living roofs that used lightweight growth mediums and drought
resistant plants, in the early 1990is. They were developed in
Belgium for use on roofs and to cover concrete paved roadway divider strips.
Most of the ones I hear of today are used on large urban buildings as
rainwater retention systems. What is attractive to me about them for natural
building is a living roof that weighs about 10 pounds per square foot
thoroughly saturated. Another attraction is as an UV barrier. One can hide an
inexpensive asphalt roll roofing, which should last indefinitely,
under this living roof. For links to living roof systems check out
http://www.ecobuilding.org/proj/ecoroof

Hope this is the kind of feed back you were looking for.

Chris
Christopher Stafford Architects, Inc.
1044 Water Street, #326
Pt. Townsend, WA 98368
360/379-8541






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