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-> SB on Dutch tv
     by "Rene Dalmeijer" rened@...
-> Re: GSBN:Nomination
     by MattsMyhrman@...


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Date: 7 Apr 2002 15:10:21 -0600
From: "Rene Dalmeijer" rened@...
Subject: SB on Dutch tv

Dear readers,

This morning I was watching the official opening by the Dutch queen Beatrix
of the Floriade a 10 yearly international Netherlands gardening/flower show.
Besides covering the official opening event involving the queen the program
gave a short impression of the main attractions at the show. One of the most
prominent items was the eco friendly SB house on the eco exhibit. The SB
house has a thatched roof and clay stucco plaster interior and exterior.
During the program all these details were carefully described no jokes about
wolves This was serious and nice. The show expects about 5 million visitors
from opening to public as of tomorrow to oktober. Besides the SB house there
is also a SB theater again with clay stucco. As soon as I have had the
opportunity to visit I wil put pictures and further details on my web-site.

I see this as a major achievement and milestone for the SB movement in
Europe. Suddenly SB is a building technique worthy of presentation to an
international public sponsored by enourmous corporations. The main sponsor
of the SB theater is one of the biggest banks in the Netherlands. They
specifically selected clay and SB because of its eco friendly image. This is
not only for show their HQ features Steiner inspired architecture and
natural clay plasters. SB is a next step. (how about SB LB high rise office
blocks)

Another important issue is that the 315m2 SB theater was found suitable for
public use and access, passing all safety and other requirements. I would
also like to add that the construction of both buildings have gone without a
major hitch, sub contacting the specific SB elements to Topleem and Tom
Rijven. To me it seems SB is on the way to mainstream, even in the
Netherlands.

www.floriade.nl for further details about the flower show. The new wave in
gardening as presented at the show is emotion gardens. The previous shows
have had a tremendous impact on private garden architecture in the
Netherlands, in the past introducing rail sleepers as major elements in
gardens.

Greetings,
Rene



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Date: 8 Apr 2002 22:52:52 -0500
From: MattsMyhrman@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Nomination


In a message dated 4/4/2002 10:42:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
jc10508@...:


> In reviewing the GSBN member list, there seemed to be some regions having 
> several members and others having only one or two.  I recently learned that
> Bruce Glenn, terra Sol Design & Building, formerly in Colorado, recently
> relocated to Port Townsend, Washington.  Bruce has indicated an interest in
> being added to the GSBN list, so I'd like to nominate him for your
> consideration!
> 

Just so Mark (Piepkorn) won't think he has sole claim to the gadfly badge, 
here are some ruminations that may provoke some, hopefully, constructive 
reflection.  And for the record, I have no reason to think that Bruce Glenn 
is not a fine human being and and an excellent builder.

Reading Joyce's recent message, included above, has led me to reflect on what 
I think I remember to be the original, vaguely described, purpose of the 
GSBN.  That is, a way for a smallish number of people, representing the 
straw-bale communities or associations in countries (or regions of larger 
countries), to network with each other, acting as two-way hubs for the 
transfer of information, news of activities, requests for assistance, etc.  
The members were to be people active "organizationally" as well as 
"professionally", the "movers and shakers" of the "revival", since the intent 
was not simply to create an insiders alternative to CREST's egalitarian, but 
often cluttered, strawbale list serve.

Joyce's suggestion, that Bruce Glenn be added to the list, brought into focus 
for me two things.  The first is that the criteria being used to screen 
suggested additions (which we must do unless we chose to welcome all 
interested individuals), seems to have been gradually changing.  The idea 
that the members should be appropriate as "hubs", due to their activity 
"organizationally" or as "key players" in creation of educational resources, 
seems to have faded from memory.  Is that because we have simply forgotten 
the original intent, or because the criteria need to be changed, or because 
the purpose of the GSBN has gradually morphed into being mostly a way for 
"serious strawbalers" to pick each others brains in a more private way than 
the CREST listserve provides.  This access to the experience of other serious 
practitioners is clearly a major benefit of being a member, but is it largely 
an unintended benefit that has begun to overshadow the intended purpose of 
global infrastructural networking?

If the original purpose still holds, and the criterium of "organizational / 
key player / mover and shaker" activity is still relevant, then I have no 
information about Bruce Glenn that make it appropriate for me to second his 
nomination.  If that criterium is no longer relevant, then Bruce and many 
other fine individuals that build straw-bale homes for people would seem to 
meet the remaining criterium of "professional" activity.  But if we chose to 
screen "nominated" individuals solely on the basis of this latter criterium, 
our membership will surely expand greatly and the role that the GSBN has 
played will surely shift further toward a listserve for insider brain-picking.
If that is what makes sense, we should at least recognize it as a change that 
we wish to make.

Now it's your turn to weigh in.  I'd especially appreciate getting some 
feedback from some of the "founding members" regarding my recollection of 
what the original intent of setting up the GSBN was, and whether they share 
my perception of a gradual change in the criteria that we as members are 
using to decide whether to nominate someone as an addition.  Maybe it's all 
going just the way it should, but I had to ask.

Matts Myhrman / Judy Knox                        mattsmyhrman@...     
Out On  Bale, (un) Ltd.                                  
2509 N. Campbell Ave., #292                       judyknox42@...
Tucson, AZ  85719                                       
Office message phone  (520) 622-6896




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5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">In reviewing the GSBN member list,
there seemed to be some regions having 
 several members and others having only one or two.  I recently
learned that
 Bruce Glenn, terra Sol Design &amp; Building, formerly in Colorado,
recently
 relocated to Port Townsend, Washington.  Bruce has indicated an
interest in
 being added to the GSBN list, so I'd like to nominate him for your
 consideration!
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 Just so Mark (Piepkorn) won't think he has sole claim to the gadfly badge,
here are some ruminations that may provoke some, hopefully, constructive
reflection.  And for the record, I have no reason to think that Bruce
Glenn is not a fine human being and and an excellent builder.
 
 Reading Joyce's recent message, included above, has led me to reflect on
what I think I remember to be the original, vaguely described, purpose of the
GSBN.  That is, a way for a smallish number of people, representing the
straw-bale communities or associations in countries (or regions of larger
countries), to network with each other, acting as two-way hubs for the
transfer of information, news of activities, requests for assistance, etc.
 The members were to be people active "organizationally" as well as
"professionally", the "movers and shakers" of the "revival", since the intent
was not simply to create an insiders alternative to CREST's egalitarian, but
often cluttered, strawbale list serve.
 
 Joyce's suggestion, that Bruce Glenn be added to the list, brought into
focus for me two things.  The first is that the criteria being used to
screen suggested additions (which we must do unless we chose to welcome all
interested individuals), seems to have been gradually changing.  The idea
that the members should be appropriate as "hubs", due to their activity
"organizationally" or as "key players" in creation of educational resources,
seems to have faded from memory.  Is that because we have simply
forgotten the original intent, or because the criteria need to be changed, or
because the purpose of the GSBN has gradually morphed into being mostly a way
for "serious strawbalers" to pick each others brains in a more private way
than the CREST listserve provides.  This access to the experience of
other serious practitioners is clearly a major benefit of being a member, but
is it largely an unintended benefit that has begun to overshadow the intended
purpose of global infrastructural networking?
 
 If the original purpose still holds, and the criterium of "organizational
/ key player / mover and shaker" activity is still relevant, then I have no
information about Bruce Glenn that make it appropriate for me to second his
nomination.  If that criterium is no longer relevant, then Bruce and many
other fine individuals that build straw-bale homes for people would seem to
meet the remaining criterium of "professional" activity.  But if we chose
to screen "nominated" individuals solely on the basis of this latter
criterium, our membership will surely expand greatly and the role that the
GSBN has played will surely shift further toward a listserve for insider
brain-picking.
 If that is what makes sense, we should at least recognize it as a change
that we wish to make.
 
 Now it's your turn to weigh in.  I'd especially appreciate getting
some feedback from some of the "founding members" regarding my recollection of
what the original intent of setting up the GSBN was, and whether they share my
perception of a gradual change in the criteria that we as members are using to
decide whether to nominate someone as an addition.  Maybe it's all going
just the way it should, but I had to ask.
 
 Matts Myhrman / Judy Knox
                       mattsmyhrman@...
    
 Out On  Bale, (un) Ltd.
                                 
 2509 N. Campbell Ave., #292
                      judyknox42@...
 Tucson, AZ  85719
                                      
 Office message phone  (520) 622-6896
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