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-> Re: GSBN:Re: [Strawbale] Mold
     by bruce king ecobruce@...
-> Re: GSBN - purpose and function
     by Athena & Bill Steen absteen@...
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     by Athena & Bill Steen absteen@...
-> Re: GSBN:
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Date: 19 Nov 2002 09:40:19 -0600
From: bruce king ecobruce@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Re: [Strawbale] Mold




Rob "Rob" Tom wrote:

> While it is true that wet straw is an ideal host for the deadly black mould
> stachybotrys atra (known baby killer via pulmonary haemorrhaging) and other
> less deadly ones

Just so everybody knows:  there is no known case of mold killing anybody.
The famous case in Ohio from twenty years ago, in which stachybotrys was
blamed for some infant deaths, was later shown to be a very flawed study,
and cost the researcher her job at the National Institutes of Health.

I have this from a close friend who is an epidemiologist also once working
at NIH.  He now works regularly with Native Americans on reservations (poor
people in crappy government housing with mold), and sees this issue a lot.
His overall assessment is that the mold issue is somewhat overblown -- an
assessment he gave me after reading the Environmental Building News cover on
the subject from last year.


Bruce "Just the Facts, Ma'am"  King



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Date: 19 Nov 2002 10:06:12 -0600
From: Athena & Bill Steen absteen@...
Subject: Re: GSBN - purpose and function


This is simply a question for this group that has been in the back of my 
mind for sometime that perhaps someone within this group can help me 
clarify.  Somewhere along the lines, "way back when," this group was 
conceived and formulated, I missed the original intent and purpose of 
it.  Not that some interesting discussions don't take place, but I was 
hoping to understand in a little more depth what it is for so that I 
might think about some better ways of using it.  As for now, when I have 
something in general to announce or post, by habit, I typically go to 
the listserv and it hasn't always occurred to me to post to this list.  
So if I might understand from some of the other participants on this 
list how they perceive it being used, it might be helpful.

Bill

Athena & Bill Steen
The Canelo Project
HC1 Box 324
Canelo/Elgin, AZ 85611
absteen@...
www.caneloproject.com



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Date: 19 Nov 2002 12:42:54 -0600
From: Athena & Bill Steen absteen@...
Subject: 


others GSBN members who haven't read this on the listserv.........

After talking about doing a calendar this year that would help support 
our work with Mexico, I can finally say that it is done and will be 
arriving here shortly.  So what that means is that we can take orders 
and ship as soon as they arrive - which should be any day.  From a very 
subjective point of view, we would like to say that the calendars are 
beautiful and can also make great Christmas presents.  We have plenty to 
sell or should I say that we need to sell, so order all you want and 
more.

Sorry to disappoint those like John Glassford who wanted to pose his 
Australian mates in the buff or something of the sort, he will have to 
do his own version later.   In contrast, this year's calendar is 
entitled  Building Children.
It was inspired by a project this summer where we brought together a 
group of kids from Obregon with others from the States and had them 
build a playhouse here at our site in southeastern Arizona.  Choice of 
location was determined by the overwhelming desire of the Mexican group 
to escape the fierce heat of the Sonoran desert.  Let's call it a 
vacation of sorts.  The materials were basically natural except for the 
plastic sandbags and the majority were gathered either on site or 
nearby.  All of the children who were involved have been closely tied to 
us over the past 8 years and in one way or another been involved in the 
ongoing work there.  Sometimes as spectators and on other occasions they 
have had their hands directly involved in the mud and straw.  This 
playhouse was their chance to do it largely by themselves and hopefully 
carry what they have learned into the future.  Don't be fooled because 
they are just kids, they flat out know how to build better than lots of 
adults.  We hope you enjoy them as much as we have.

And before I forget, if you want to check out some of our latest 
projects, Athena just posted a bunch of new stuff on our web site under 
current projects:  www.caneloproject.com

This 9x12 calendar contains 32 pages of color photographs taken by Bill 
and Athena Steen. All proceeds and donations go to support The Canelo 
Projects non-profit building projects in Mexico.
COST $15
Orders of 5 copies or more are $12 each.
Tax deductible donations over and above the cost of the calendar are 
welcome.
Credit card are accepted through Paypal at www.paypal.com to the account 
caneloproject@...
Shipping for up to 3 copies sent by priority mail is $4.00.
For shipping costs on orders over 3 please e-mail us at absteen 
@dakotacom.net
or call us at (520)455-5548

Athena & Bill Steen
The Canelo Project
HC1 Box 324
Canelo/Elgin, AZ 85611
absteen@...
www.caneloproject.com



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<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>others GSBN members
who haven't read this on the listserv.........


After talking about doing a calendar this year that would help support
our work with Mexico, I can finally say that it is done and will be
arriving here shortly.  So what that means is that we can take orders
and ship as soon as they arrive - which should be any day.  From a
very subjective point of view, we would like to say that the calendars
are beautiful and can also make great Christmas presents.  We have
plenty to sell or should I say that we need to sell, so order all you
want and more.


Sorry to disappoint those like John Glassford who wanted to pose his
Australian mates in the buff or something of the sort, he will have to
do his own version later.   In contrast, this year's calendar is
entitled 
<italic><color><param>2E2E,8B8B,5757</param><bigger><bigger><bigger>Building
Children.<bigger><bigger>

</bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></bigger></color></italic><bigger>It
was inspired by a project this summer where we brought together a
group of kids from Obregon with others from the States and had them
build a playhouse here at our site in southeastern Arizona.  Choice of
location was determined by the overwhelming desire of the Mexican
group to escape the fierce heat of the Sonoran desert.  Let's call it
a vacation of sorts.  The materials were basically natural except for
the plastic sandbags and the majority were gathered either on site or
nearby.  All of the children who were involved have been closely tied
to us over the past 8 years and in one way or another been involved in
the ongoing work there.  Sometimes as spectators and on other
occasions they have had their hands directly involved in the mud and
straw.  This playhouse was their chance to do it largely by themselves
and hopefully carry what they have learned into the future.  Don't be
fooled because they are just kids, they flat out know how to build
better than lots of adults.  We hope you enjoy them as much as we
have. 


And before I forget, if you want to check out some of our latest
projects, Athena just posted a bunch of new stuff on our web site
under current projects:  www.caneloproject.com 


This 9x12 calendar contains 32 pages of color photographs taken by
Bill and Athena Steen. All proceeds and donations go to support The
Canelo Projects non-profit building projects in Mexico.

<bold><color><param>8080,0000,8080</param><bigger>COST $15

</bigger></color></bold><color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>Orders of
5 copies or more are $12 each.

</color>Tax deductible donations over and above the cost of the
calendar are welcome.

</bigger></bigger></fontfamily><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><bigger><bigger>Credit
card are accepted through Paypal at www.paypal.com to the account
<caneloproject@...

Shipping for up to 3 copies sent by priority mail is $4.00.

For shipping costs on orders over 3 please e-mail us at
<underline><color><param>0000,6464,0000</param>absteen
@dakotacom.net</color></underline>

or call us at (520)455-5548

</bigger></bigger></fontfamily>

Athena & Bill Steen

The Canelo Project

HC1 Box 324

Canelo/Elgin, AZ 85611

absteen@...

www.caneloproject.com
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Date: 19 Nov 2002 19:33:48 -0600
From: DCAT info@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:


To Our Friends Down Under Over There :)

Mssr. Glassford:

How many of the aforementioned calendars might you folks be needing, 
so as I can git with B&A and package 'em up in David's ballast bags 
for his trip down there. Let us know asap.... here and 
anovelli@...

thanks,
tony



>others GSBN members who haven't read this on the listserv.........
>
>After talking about doing a calendar this year that would help 
>support our work with Mexico, I can finally say that it is done and 
>will be arriving here shortly.  So what that means is that we can 
>take orders and ship as soon as they arrive - which should be any 
>day.  From a very subjective point of view, we would like to say 
>that the calendars are beautiful and can also make great Christmas 
>presents.  We have plenty to sell or should I say that we need to 
>sell, so order all you want and more.
>
>Sorry to disappoint those like John Glassford who wanted to pose his 
>Australian mates in the buff or something of the sort, he will have 
>to do his own version later.   In contrast, this year's calendar is 
>entitled  Building Children.
>It was inspired by a project this summer where we brought together a 
>group of kids from Obregon with others from the States and had them 
>build a playhouse here at our site in southeastern Arizona.  Choice 
>of location was determined by the overwhelming desire of the Mexican 
>group to escape the fierce heat of the Sonoran desert.  Let's call 
>it a vacation of sorts.  The materials were basically natural except 
>for the plastic sandbags and the majority were gathered either on 
>site or nearby.  All of the children who were involved have been 
>closely tied to us over the past 8 years and in one way or another 
>been involved in the ongoing work there.  Sometimes as spectators 
>and on other occasions they have had their hands directly involved 
>in the mud and straw.  This playhouse was their chance to do it 
>largely by themselves and hopefully carry what they have learned 
>into the future.  Don't be fooled because they are just kids, they 
>flat out know how to build better than lots of adults.  We hope you 
>enjoy them as much as we have.
>
>And before I forget, if you want to check out some of our latest 
>projects, Athena just posted a bunch of new stuff on our web site 
>under current projects:  www.caneloproject.com
>
>This 9x12 calendar contains 32 pages of color photographs taken by 
>Bill and Athena Steen. All proceeds and donations go to support The 
>Canelo Projects non-profit building projects in Mexico.
>COST $15
>Orders of 5 copies or more are $12 each.
>Tax deductible donations over and above the cost of the calendar are welcome.
>Credit card are accepted through Paypal at www.paypal.com to the 
>account caneloproject@...
>Shipping for up to 3 copies sent by priority mail is $4.00.
>For shipping costs on orders over 3 please e-mail us at absteen
@dakotacom.net
>or call us at (520)455-5548
>
>Athena & Bill Steen
>The Canelo Project
>HC1 Box 324
>Canelo/Elgin, AZ 85611
>absteen@...
>www.caneloproject.com

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To Our Friends Down Under Over There :)
 
Mssr. Glassford:
 
How many of the aforementioned calendars might you folks be
needing, so as I can git with B&amp;A and package 'em up in David's
ballast bags for his trip down there. Let us know asap.... here and
anovelli@...
 
thanks,
tony
 
 
 
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+1">others GSBN members who haven't read this on the
listserv.........</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+1">After talking about doing a calendar this year that would
help support our work with Mexico, I can finally say that it is done
and will be arriving here shortly.  So what that means is that we
can take orders and ship as soon as they arrive - which should be any
day.  From a very subjective point of view, we would like to say
that the calendars are beautiful and can also make great Christmas
presents.  We have plenty to sell or should I say that we need to
sell, so order all you want and more.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+1">Sorry to disappoint those like John Glassford who wanted to
pose his Australian mates in the buff or something of the sort, he
will have to do his own version later.   In contrast, this
year's calendar is entitled </font><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+4" color="#2E8B57"><i> Building
Children.</i></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="+2">It
was inspired by a project this summer where we brought together a
group of kids from Obregon with others from the States and had them
build a playhouse here at our site in southeastern Arizona. 
Choice of location was determined by the overwhelming desire of the
Mexican group to escape the fierce heat of the Sonoran desert. 
Let's call it a vacation of sorts.  The materials were basically
natural except for the plastic sandbags and the majority were gathered
either on site or nearby.  All of the children who were involved
have been closely tied to us over the past 8 years and in one way or
another been involved in the ongoing work there.  Sometimes as
spectators and on other occasions they have had their hands directly
involved in the mud and straw.  This playhouse was their chance
to do it largely by themselves and hopefully carry what they have
learned into the future.  Don't be fooled because they are just
kids, they flat out know how to build better than lots of adults. 
We hope you enjoy them as much as we have.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+2"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+2">And before I forget, if you want to check out some of our
latest projects, Athena just posted a bunch of new stuff on our web
site under current projects: 
www.caneloproject.com</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+2"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+2">This 9x12 calendar contains 32 pages of color photographs
taken by Bill and Athena Steen. All proceeds and donations go to
support The Canelo Projects non-profit building projects in
Mexico.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="+3"
color="#800080"><b>COST $15</b></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="+2"
color="#800080">Orders of 5 copies or more are $12
each.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman"
size="+2">Tax deductible donations over and above the cost of the
calendar are welcome.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="+2">Credit card
are accepted through Paypal at www.paypal.com to the account
caneloproject@...</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="+2">Shipping for
up to 3 copies sent by priority mail is $4.00.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="+2">For shipping
costs on orders over 3 please e-mail us at<font color="#006400"><u>
absteen @dakotacom.net</u></font></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Arial" size="+2">or call us
at (520)455-5548</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Athena &amp; Bill Steen</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>The Canelo Project</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>HC1 Box 324</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Canelo/Elgin, AZ 85611</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>absteen@dakotacom.net</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>www.caneloproject.com</blockquote>
 

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(520) 624-6628 voice / (520) 798-3701 fax 
http://www.dcat.net 
 
The Development Center for Appropriate Technology is a not for
profit 
organization that is supported solely by foundation grants and
charitable 
contributions from corporations, small business, and individuals. Our
mission 
is to enhance the health of the planet and our communities by
promoting a 
shift to sustainable construction and development through
leadership, 
strategic relationships, and education. To learn about how you can
support 
DCAT's crucial work, visit our website at http://www.dcat.net.
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