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-> Re: GSBN:new members
     by "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
-> Re: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima
     by "m\.ep" m.ep@...
-> Re: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima
     by "m\.ep" m.ep@...
-> Re: GSBN:new members
     by Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...
-> Re: GSBN:German strawbale work and +++ Codes Discussion on  GSBN Listserve
     by "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
-> Change of URL
     by "m\.ep" m.ep@...
-> Updated info - new European GSBN members
     by Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...


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Date: 22 Aug 2004 08:10:52 -0600
From: "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:new members

Dear Catherine,

just back in The Netherlands again: 

Yes and I would like to add Attila from Hungary, not quite extrovert but....
that might be of help there.

Very best wishes, Martin.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Catherine Wanek 
  To: GSBN 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:48 AM
  Subject: GSBN:new members


  Hi all --

  After returning from an incredible and informative trip to the ISBBC and
around Europe, it seems to me that there may be a few straw-bale leaders and
innovators that are not on this GSBN listserve.  

  Bill -- can you check if Dirk Scharmer (Germany), Werner Schmidt
(Switzerland), Herwig van Soom (Belgium) or both Rolf Jacobson & Arild Berg
(Norway) are on the list?  

  If not, I would like to nominate them for membership.  Do I hear a second?

  Of course I can come up with their email addresses as necessary......

  Best regards,
  Catherine Wanek

  Black Range Films &
  Natural Building Resources
  119 Main St. , Kingston, NM 88042
  505-895-3389 / fax 505-895-3326
  blackrange@...
  <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawbalecentral.com";>http://www.strawbalecentral.com</a> 


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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:02:41 -0600
From: "m\.ep" m.ep@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima

Hi,

I very much appreciate your way of looking at mold in a given climate.

But other than the beauty of SB/plaster I see no reason to prefer SB in a
climate that is basicly warm/hot year round with little temperature difference
between day and night. (+ humid during long periods). And I certainly would
stay away from high mass techniques.

The buildings I liked in Northen Queensland often have little more than wooden
cladding, lots of shade (Veranda) and lots of ventilation. Sound insulation
makes more sense to me than Thermal insulation (if neigbours are close).

Sylvia, comming from Germany might have some difficulty forgetting freezing
winters when thinking of her new home.

Then again, myself I never lived in warm/hot climates for more than 6 months
either.

I can only suggest Sylvia to go to Pannama, rent a place for a while and think
ponder a while.

Ciao,
Andre




> Hi Sylvia
>
> Chris here from the tropics of Queensland, Australia
>
> Queensland runs from 10degrees south of the equator to 28degrees south of
> the equator (it's a big place). Panama is 8 degrees north of the equator. So
> I will compare you to the most northern costal area of Queensland. The
> summers in the north are very wet with the monsoons, very high humidity and
> high temperature and the occasional cyclone.
>
> What you have to look at with SB is that the wetting potential which must
> equal the drying potential of the wall. I tell people in the tropics to look
> at their environment for the answer. If you are finding that through the
> summer that mould and fungi is growing over your furnishings, curtains,
> shoes, building etc (as it does) then it can be fair to say that it will
> also grow in your SB walls. Remember also that rot will occur a lot faster
> in a high humidity with high temperature then it will in a high humidity
> with a low temperature.
>
> So you need to consider how you can reduce your wetting potential during
> your summer when the humidity is so high for so long that you have a very
> poor drying potential. You will need very wide veranda, you may consider
> using a cladding over your external walls (over the earth rendered SB wall).
> Again look at your local environment for the answer. Are large verandas in
> the local buildings enough to protect the traditional buildings from
> moisture and rot. Also have a look at the historic buildings of the area,
> are there other local, natural materials that are tolerant of this climate -
> ? sand bags. When in doubt start small - build yourself a shed and buy
> yourself a moisture probe.
>
> Regards Chris
> www.newtonhouse.info
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:11 PM
> Subject: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima
>
>
> Dear collegues!
> Perhaps some of you will able to help Sylvia: See message below.
>
> Dirk
>
> _______________________________
> Architekturburo WAND4
> Dipl.- Ing. Architekt
> Dirk Scharmer
> Auf der Rubekuhle 10
> D-21335 Luneburg
> Tel. 04131- 727804
> Fax. 04131- 727805
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sylviasadresse@...[<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:Sylviasadresse@compuserve.de";>mailto:Sylviasadresse@...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. August 2004 21:54
> An: Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland
> Betreff: Re: AW: Strohballenbau in den tropen
>
>
> Das ist ganz lieb.
> Also.
>
> Hello Dears,
> we are a familie who go from germany to panama to live.
> We want to live in a Strawbalehouse again, but we don`t know what is
> different and what is really necessary to look for.
> There they have "ricestraw" and much more insects than in germany. Who
> can help us to talk about strawbalebuildings in tropic clima. We will be
> very happy for answers.
>
> Thank you
> Sylvia
>
> ----- Originalnachricht -----
> Von: "Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland"
> Datum: Montag, 16. August 2004 11:31 am
> Betreff: AW: Strohballenbau in den tropen
>
> > Hallo Sylvia,
> > Ich selbst kann dazu nicht soviel sagen, aber wenn Du Deine
> > Anfrage auf
> > englisch formulierst kann ich sie an einige internationale Fachleute
> > weiterleiten.
> >
> > Gruss
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> > _______________________________
> > Architekturburo WAND4
> > Dipl.- Ing. Architekt
> > Dirk Scharmer
> > Auf der Rubekuhle 10
> > D-21335 Luneburg
> > Tel. 04131- 727804
> > Fax. 04131- 727805
> >
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Sylviasadresse@...
> > [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:Sylviasadresse@compuserve.de";>mailto:Sylviasadresse@...]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 16. August 2004 08:47
> > An: info@...
> > Betreff: Strohballenbau in den tropen
> >
> >
> > Hallo,
> > wir ziehen um nach panama und wollen wieder ein strohballenhaus.
> > allerdings gibt es dort reisstroh und ganz andere kleintiere. wo kann
> > ich mich uber bauweise in den tropen erkundigen, habt ihr eine
> > adresse, weib es einer von euch?
> > falls ihr mir helfen konnt ware das klasse.
> > ich wurde mich uber eine antwort freuen.
> > sylvia
> >
> >
>
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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:02:49 -0600
From: "m\.ep" m.ep@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima

Hi,

I very much appreciate your way of looking at mold in a given climate.

But other than the beauty of SB/plaster I see no reason to prefer SB in a
climate that is basicly warm/hot year round with little temperature difference
between day and night. (+ humid during long periods). And I certainly would
stay away from high mass techniques.

The buildings I liked in Northen Queensland often have little more than wooden
cladding, lots of shade (Veranda) and lots of ventilation. Sound insulation
makes more sense to me than Thermal insulation (if neigbours are close).

Sylvia, comming from Germany might have some difficulty forgetting freezing
winters when thinking of her new home.

Then again, myself I never lived in warm/hot climates for more than 6 months
either.

I can only suggest Sylvia to go to Pannama, rent a place for a while and think
ponder a while.

Ciao,
Andre




> Hi Sylvia
>
> Chris here from the tropics of Queensland, Australia
>
> Queensland runs from 10degrees south of the equator to 28degrees south of
> the equator (it's a big place). Panama is 8 degrees north of the equator. So
> I will compare you to the most northern costal area of Queensland. The
> summers in the north are very wet with the monsoons, very high humidity and
> high temperature and the occasional cyclone.
>
> What you have to look at with SB is that the wetting potential which must
> equal the drying potential of the wall. I tell people in the tropics to look
> at their environment for the answer. If you are finding that through the
> summer that mould and fungi is growing over your furnishings, curtains,
> shoes, building etc (as it does) then it can be fair to say that it will
> also grow in your SB walls. Remember also that rot will occur a lot faster
> in a high humidity with high temperature then it will in a high humidity
> with a low temperature.
>
> So you need to consider how you can reduce your wetting potential during
> your summer when the humidity is so high for so long that you have a very
> poor drying potential. You will need very wide veranda, you may consider
> using a cladding over your external walls (over the earth rendered SB wall).
> Again look at your local environment for the answer. Are large verandas in
> the local buildings enough to protect the traditional buildings from
> moisture and rot. Also have a look at the historic buildings of the area,
> are there other local, natural materials that are tolerant of this climate -
> ? sand bags. When in doubt start small - build yourself a shed and buy
> yourself a moisture probe.
>
> Regards Chris
> www.newtonhouse.info
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:11 PM
> Subject: GSBN:strawbalebuildings in tropic clima
>
>
> Dear collegues!
> Perhaps some of you will able to help Sylvia: See message below.
>
> Dirk
>
> _______________________________
> Architekturburo WAND4
> Dipl.- Ing. Architekt
> Dirk Scharmer
> Auf der Rubekuhle 10
> D-21335 Luneburg
> Tel. 04131- 727804
> Fax. 04131- 727805
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Sylviasadresse@...[<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:Sylviasadresse@compuserve.de";>mailto:Sylviasadresse@...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. August 2004 21:54
> An: Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland
> Betreff: Re: AW: Strohballenbau in den tropen
>
>
> Das ist ganz lieb.
> Also.
>
> Hello Dears,
> we are a familie who go from germany to panama to live.
> We want to live in a Strawbalehouse again, but we don`t know what is
> different and what is really necessary to look for.
> There they have "ricestraw" and much more insects than in germany. Who
> can help us to talk about strawbalebuildings in tropic clima. We will be
> very happy for answers.
>
> Thank you
> Sylvia
>
> ----- Originalnachricht -----
> Von: "Fachverband Strohballenbau Deutschland"
> Datum: Montag, 16. August 2004 11:31 am
> Betreff: AW: Strohballenbau in den tropen
>
> > Hallo Sylvia,
> > Ich selbst kann dazu nicht soviel sagen, aber wenn Du Deine
> > Anfrage auf
> > englisch formulierst kann ich sie an einige internationale Fachleute
> > weiterleiten.
> >
> > Gruss
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> > _______________________________
> > Architekturburo WAND4
> > Dipl.- Ing. Architekt
> > Dirk Scharmer
> > Auf der Rubekuhle 10
> > D-21335 Luneburg
> > Tel. 04131- 727804
> > Fax. 04131- 727805
> >
> > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Sylviasadresse@...
> > [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:Sylviasadresse@compuserve.de";>mailto:Sylviasadresse@...]
> > Gesendet: Montag, 16. August 2004 08:47
> > An: info@...
> > Betreff: Strohballenbau in den tropen
> >
> >
> > Hallo,
> > wir ziehen um nach panama und wollen wieder ein strohballenhaus.
> > allerdings gibt es dort reisstroh und ganz andere kleintiere. wo kann
> > ich mich uber bauweise in den tropen erkundigen, habt ihr eine
> > adresse, weib es einer von euch?
> > falls ihr mir helfen konnt ware das klasse.
> > ich wurde mich uber eine antwort freuen.
> > sylvia
> >
> >
>
> ----
> For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
> email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
> ----
>
>
>
>
> ----
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> ----
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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:04:53 -0600
From: Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:new members

Martin,

Excellent idea to nominate Attila from Hungary to GSBN.

I believe we still need email addresses for Werner Schmidt (Switzerland),
Herwig van Soom (Belgium) or both Rolf Jacobson &amp; Arild Berg
(Norway). It would be helpful, I'm sure, for others on GSBN to know a bit
more about all these find folks and their work. Can you supply this,
Catherine?

Joyce

on 8.21.2004 8:53 AM, Martin Oehlmann at martin.oehlmann@...:

> Dear Catherine,
>
> just back in The Netherlands again:
>
> Yes and I would like to add Attila from Hungary, not quite extrovert but....
> that might be of help there.
>
> Very best wishes, Martin.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Catherine Wanek
> To: GSBN
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:48 AM
> Subject: GSBN:new members
>
>
> Hi all --
>
> After returning from an incredible and informative trip to the ISBBC and
> around Europe, it seems to me that there may be a few straw-bale leaders and
> innovators that are not on this GSBN listserve.
>
> Bill -- can you check if Dirk Scharmer (Germany), Werner Schmidt
> (Switzerland), Herwig van Soom (Belgium) or both Rolf Jacobson &amp; Arild Berg
> (Norway) are on the list?
>
> If not, I would like to nominate them for membership.  Do I hear a second?
>
> Of course I can come up with their email addresses as necessary......
>
> Best regards,
> Catherine Wanek
>
> Black Range Films &amp;
> Natural Building Resources
> 119 Main St. , Kingston, NM 88042
> 505-895-3389 / fax 505-895-3326
> blackrange@...
> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawbalecentral.com";>http://www.strawbalecentral.com</a>
>
>
>


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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:28:48 -0600
From: "Martin Oehlmann" martin.oehlmann@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:German strawbale work and +++ Codes Discussion on  GSBN
Listserve

Hi,

Matthias Boenisch might be an other option or Manuel who is a young
determined architect and works together with Dirk.

Best wishes, Martin



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Catherine Wanek" blackrange@...
To: "GSBN" GSBN@...
Cc: mfhammer@...
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: GSBN:German strawbale work and +++ Codes Discussion on GSBN
Listserve


Hi All --
  I understand and agree with Dirk that it's appropriate for their current
needs to work on the German code issues without necessarily involving the
whole GSBN.  Having just returned from travelling in Europe, I'm very
sensitized to the issues and challenges of translation....

Perhaps Rene Dalmeijer -- who speaks several languages -- can periodically
give us a English update on the German discussions.  And the GSBN could be
considered as a resource to this discussion, if there are specific needs.

Here in the U.S., CASBA member architect Martin Hammer is currently
"hammering out" some new potential California strawbale code language that
starts from scratch...... utilizing the results of the recent tests
undertaken by Bruce King's Ecological Building Network.   When he and the
group working on this code are ready, I suggest that they present it to the
GSBN, too, for a sort of peer review.

I'm positive we will all benefit by viewing the approaches taken from
different perspectives, and vice versa.  And yet we don't all need to read
and translate every exchange.

best regards,
Catherine Wanek

At 08:19 PM 8/11/04 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear Rene Dalmeijer and the rest of the sb-world,
>Now several weeks after the ISBBC, I'm realising that I will not be able
>to do powerful work with our decided system to have exchange about
>(european) technical approval (ETA- Hi CIA;-)) on GSBN. I'm sorry,
>perhaps it's a question of language (writing this email took more than
>one hour) , perhaps I've to much to do with my building-projects, may be
>it's my feeling, that I only want to discuss subjects with a small
>intentional group of people, for me GSBN is to big and unfortunately
>still very anonymous. (Rene, you remember our small disagreement
>according to this during the ISBBC-ETA-Forum?). In addition to that, I
>feel that some of my words below should be handled a little bit secret,
>as you will agree.
>
>So, what I do in this moment, is working on our national (german)
>approval of strawbales as a building material. Therefore we need to do
>additional tests of mould-behaviour and to describe a quality-safe
>process of producing good building strawbales. To proof the absence of
>fungus/mould in every kind of our choosen type of construction we will
>do calculated simulations with WUFI-Bio, a special Version of this
>wellknown software. Also we'll install two temperature and humidity
>measurement-systems in existing sb-buildings. (Please do not
>misunderstand: I know, that straw is a good stuff but the authorities
>are calling for verifications)
>
>My intention to initiate the ISBBC-ETA-Forum was not to discuss with the
>hole world but solve our special european problem with the rigid rules
>testing the flammibility of straw(bales). Straw in this moment
>definitely fails the european flammability/ ignatability test!!!! (the
>test, which is valid more or less in the future of every european
>country). In this case there will be no! chance of a broad coming up of
>strawbale construction in EU-future. In contrast to that straw tightly
>passes the german flammability test but unfortunately fails the german
>fungus-test. The european fungus-test again is not so rigorous, so our
>chance in germany is, that german goverment allows us to combine the
>european fungus-test with the german approval. In this moment it looks
>like they will agree.
>
>In addition to this we are working on a much bigger project: A
>loadbaring strawbale system for german conditions. Therefore we probably
>need to modify the existing american style. I will present a draft of it
>here soon. We are calculating with costs between 100 and 300 thousands
>EUR (a 200 sqm building prototype incl.). But fortunately there is a
>number sources for money to finance sustainable work in germany.
>
>Besides all that stuff, I would be very glad to have some exchange/
>support from experts arround the world.
>
>Thats it:-)
>
>Dirk Scharmer
>
>PS.: And for the most of you, who doesn't know our work, please have a
>look on our website www.fasba.de, via google you will have a much more
>funny version of english, as you read above +++ we are planning to have
>a english version of the site) PPS:Does anybody of you has experience
>with patents? In germany there is an architect who has a patent about a
>special SB-detail, so may be one day we'll have to fight against his
>interdiction to us building with straw.
>
>
>'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>' german strawbale association FSB             '
>' Dirk Scharmer                               '
>' Auf der R#252#bekuhle 10                        '
>' D-21335 L#252#neburg                            '
>' Tel. 0049 4131- 727804                      '
>' Fax. 0049 4131- 727805                      '
>'                                             '
>' Internet: www.fasba.de                      '
>' Email: ds@...                        '
>'                                             '
>'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>



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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:35:13 -0600
From: "m\.ep" m.ep@...
Subject: Change of URL

Hi,

For those of you who have links to our website (www.la-maison-en-paille.com).
I suggest you change it to: www.lamaisonenpaille.com
The old URL will stop functionning in a few weeks.

And for the OSBBC ISBBC; I vote for october.

Bye,
Andre
La Maison en Paille

www.lamaisonenpaille.com

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Date: 22 Aug 2004 10:37:28 -0600
From: Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...
Subject: Updated info - new European GSBN members

Martin Oehlmann sends this contact information for new European GSBN
members:

Herwig Van Soom, Kouterstraat 7, B-3052 Blanden
email: Orcaherwig@...

Werner Schmidt, Arch., CH, 7166 Trun, Fabrikareal, email:
werner_schmidt@...

Arild Berg
Solorgata 9, 0658 Oslo, Norway
22670595
63991820
ariberg@...
Architect, SB-Builder, Norwegian Networker

Thanks Martin!

We'll share more information later.

Joyce


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