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Re: GSBN:Re: Proposal

The discussion on the list about the inclusion of Hank Carr has brought out
many important points about the purpose of the GSBN, the importance of
representation from each geographical area or network, and the contributions
of its participants.  I agree with Bill C's comments below that we not
invite him to join GSBN and recommend that we include Kim Thompson from Nova


on 12.15.2004 1:14 PM, billc_lists@...

> At 1:17 PM -0500 12/15/04, Judyknox42@...:
>> What we do think is crucial is that there is a
>> participant from each geographical area or network that makes sure
>> information is being passed on to others in that area.  But beyond
>> that, we are much
>> more interested in the quality of the contributions participants make to a
>> free-flowing dialogue.  None of us want the GSBN to turn into a chat room,
>> and
>> should that begin to happen, we need to address it.
>> ...The quality and content of a free-flowing dialogue that helps us
>> all move forward in our work is the point.
>> We don't know Hank, but have no reason not to welcome him if other members of
> the GSBN feel he can contribute at that level.
> I agree wholeheartedly with Judy's point that we don't need to
> restrict ourselves to some quota from different locations (though I'd
> certainly like to see more representation from certain areas of the
> world), and that what really matters is the quality and content of
> discussion.
> That said, another list member's comments to me offline and presented
> here anonymously:
> "The question of Hank is less clear. Obviously he's a busy and
> dedicated person with the best intentions, but he scares me in the
> same way that a certain couple of guys in Minnesota used to scare me.
> (You'll recall that one of their projects - a very well-intended but
> excruciatingly-flawed SB house built in south Minneapolis - ended up
> torn down a couple years later because of moisture problems. They
> ignored hard-won consensus- and experience-derived wisdom and best
> practices of the SB community, preferring to "pioneer" techniques and
> designs that relied on flawed assumptions and poor judgement.
> Eventually they posted a message on their website saying that they
> didn't have anything to do with strawbale anymore; and now their
> website appears to be gone completely.) While I can't deny that Hank
> is moving and shaking, I'm not comfortable that he's not a bull in a
> china shop. Where SB is concerned, when having a vision blurs with
> solipsism, I cringe. But then again, maybe his apparent belligerence
> would be tempered in the presence of the august GSBNers. If it comes
> down to a choice between RT and him, I'd choose RT in a heartbeat."
> (billc again)
> Rob has been the most vocal in his opposition to having Hank join,
> but several others who know him through list discussions or otherwise
> have some reservations.  I suggest that unless we get some strong
> arguments from people who are familiar with Hank and feel that his
> inclusion in the list would be a positive thing overall, that we
> don't invite him to join GSBN at present.
> --
> Bill Christensen
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