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-> new DVD & Book
     by "Frank & Ingrid" strawbales@...
-> Re: GSBN:Re: Proposal
     by billc_lists@...
-> new member
     by "Kuba" kuba@...
-> Re: GSBN:Re: Proposal
     by Chris Magwood TLSEditor@...
-> GSBN:Re: Bad Proposal
     by "Chug." chug@...
-> New member discussion policy
     by Paul Lacinski paul@...
-> *INTERNAL* and a quote for your myth, Chris
     by forum@...
-> *INTERNAL* and a quote for your myth, Chris
     by forum@...
-> Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy
     by jeff@...
-> *INTERNAL*  Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy
     by Strawnet@...
-> Re: *INTERNAL*  Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy
     by billc_lists@...


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Date: 16 Dec 2004 23:38:24 -0600
From: "Frank & Ingrid" strawbales@...
Subject: new DVD & Book

Hello all,

End of the year and we have hardly posted to the list, sorry for that
but we have always read contributions with interest.
Been very busy building and rendering (SB homes of course) and raising
our two boys. Have also been to Denmark, it was great to catch up with
many of you there.

Because we do not know any of the people who have lately been discussed
for nomination to this list we will trust judgement of the ones who know
them either personally or from other lists too and go with their
decision.

Please find below some info on a new strawbale building DVD and a new
book on natural living.

Leaving you with wishes for a peace - and joyful holiday season.
Regards, Frank & Ingrid

Yesterday-Today-Tomorrow, Strawbale Construction
Ph. & Fax: + 61 2 4869 3302 Mobile: 0408415806
 <<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:strawbales@bigpond.com";>mailto:strawbales@...> strawbales@...
 <<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawbale.com.au";>http://www.strawbale.com.au</a>> www.strawbale.com.au


A new DVD/Video on strawbale building has just come out in Germany. The
DVD is presented in German, English &amp; French.

 "Houses of Straw" (Original Title Stroh im Kopf) DVD/VHS by Heidi Snel
- - Oekofilm (43 min.)

Synopsis:
An old building material - rediscovered. This fantastic new film
presents the current state of strawbale building in Germany. A small
project in Lower Saxony is filmed during construction and many other
examples of strawbale homes show different technique and design ideas
possible with this remarkable building material.

Interviews with strawbale home owners, builders, architects and
international experts/pioneers, e.g. David Eisenberg, Prof. Gernot
Minke, Dirk Scharmer, address many important issues in regards to
strawbale construction.

Please visit www.ecofilm.de for online orders or contact Heidi Snel at
info@...arrange purchases.


New Book with fantastic photography:

"Sticks, Stones, Mud Homes" By Nigel Noyes (2004)

Publisher: Hardie Grant  Books www.hardiegrant.com.au
<<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.hardiegrant.com.au/";>http://www.hardiegrant.com.au/</a>>  ISBN: 1740661478

Synopsis:

There is a fascinating diversity to how we live, from the tight confines
of inner city one-room boxes to expansive accommodation on isolated
rural retreats. Whatever the location or scale of our potential
sanctuaries, there exists the opportunity to enhance these spaces to
something we can genuinely refer to as home. Sticks, Stones, Mud Homes
is a book about eco-friendly living, founded on the principles of
minimal impact and sustainable practices. The buildings in the book are
designed to conserve energy, to create new life from old, and employ
good recycling practices that work in with the environment. With
ingenuity, determination and a new aesthetic sensibility, seemingly
unconventional materials can often be adapted to building in some way.
The houses featured are made from rammed earth, baled straw and
mudbricks, from salvaged material, recycled timber and stone, and from
tin and other inexpensive contemporary materials.

Both of these are interesting and very well done, we highly recommend
viewing/reading and hopefully both items are available at Earth Garden's
Good Life Book Club (for the Australians) soon.





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Date: 17 Dec 2004 02:02:07 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Re: Proposal

At 6:40 PM -0700 12/16/04, Catherine Wanek wrote:
>
>As for Habib Gonzales, I feel sure that he must have been on the list from
>the beginning too -- he's so very respected for his strawbale work.  I will
>contact him about it.

Habib's on the list.  He got off for a little while when he was away
from home, but he's been back for a fair bit.  See the full list
below.

>
>As for archives being open to the ether, I favor a snipped version (via
>Bill C's august judgement) that edits anything potentially hurtful .

Thanks for the vote of confidence on that, but let it be known that
I'm not likely to go and whack any posts unless I'm specifically
asked "could you please remove post # 523, where I insulted someone's
mother?"

FYI, below is a list of the current listees.

<<<<<< Attached TEXT file named " GSBN List" follows >>>>>>
E-Mail Address		 Name  - location(s) - group(s) represented

jfstraube@...	John Straube- Canada
orcaarchi@...	Herwig Van Zoom - Belgium
ds@...	Dirk Scharmer - Germany
TLSEditor@...	Chris Magwood Editor of TLS - Ontario CA
thelaststraw@...	Joyce Coppinger Managing Editor of TLS -
Nebraska USA
atelier_schmidt@...	Werner Schmidt - Switzerland
info@...	Barbara Jones- England
chug@...	Chris "Chug" Tugby -
Wales-Ireland-Scotland-England
martin.oehlmann@...	Martin Oehlmann - Netherlands, France
rene.dalmeijer@...	Rene Dalmeijer - Netherlands
habibg@...	Habib John Gonzalez - British Colombia. Canada
bobregon@...	Ben Obregon - Austin.Texas USA
fiodanbuck@...	Danny Buck - Santa Fe. New Mexico USA
strawbales@...	Frank Thomas - NSW Australia
bob@...	Bob Bolles - San Diego California USA
paul@...	Paul Lacinski, Ashfield, MA USA
lorobles55@...	Lorenzo Robles - France
Zypresse1@...	Axel Linde - Deutchland
judyknox42@...	Judy Knox - Tucson Arizona USA
ketsie@...	Darren Port - New Jersey USA
mattsmyhrman@...	Matts Myhrman - Tucson Arizona USA
thangmaker@...	Frank Meyer - Austin.Texas USA
strawnet@...	David Eisenberg - Tucson.Arizona USA
stafford@...	Chris Stafford - Washington USA
mbenn1035@...	Maurice Bennett - California USA
struemplerconsulting@...	Laura Struempler - Carbondale CO USA
billc_lists@...	Bill Christensen - Austin.Texas USA
duckchow@...	Mark Piepkorn - USA nomadic
johns@...	John Swearingen - USA California
jeff@...	Jeff Ruppert - Boulder. CO. USA (COSBA)
blackrange@...	Catherine Wanek -Hillsboro New Mexico USA
CatherineW@...	Catherine Wanek (alternate address)
Sue.Murray@...	Sue Murray - Austin.Texas USA
adramon@...	Scott Christiansen - Mongolia
chris@...	Chris Newton  Brisbane Queensland AU
rolf@...	Rolf Jacobson - Norway
Pascal.THEPAUT@...	Pascal Thepaut - France
asbn@...	Herbert and Astrid Gruber - Austria
strawbale@...	Barbara Jones - alternate email
forum@...	Andre de Bouter - France
stoneandstraw@...	Nehemiah Stone - Loomis California USA
dawnaz@...	Joelee Joyce -Tucson Arizona USA
ecobruce@...	Bruce King - Sausalito California USA
jc10508@...	Joyce Coppinger - Lincoln Nebraska USA (SBAN, MASBA)
absteen@...	Bill and Athena Steen - USA Arizona - Mexico
Cd. Obregon

larskeller@...	Lars Keller- Friland Denmark
timok@...	Tim Owen-Kennedy  Ukiah California, USA
info@...	DCAT - Tucson Arizona USA
imagine@...	Helen &amp; Per Bernard - Victoria Australia
huffnpuff@...	John Glassford - NSW Australia
m.faine@...	Mike Faine - U of Western Sydney, AU
j.zhang@...	John Zhang - U of Western Sydney, AU
derek@...	Derek Roff - Albuquerque New Mexico USA
bainbrid@...	David Bainbridge - San Diego California USA
iae@...	Evgeny Shirokov - Belarus
kuba@...	Kuba


<<<<<< Attached TEXT file named " GSBN Digest" follows >>>>>>
E-Mail Address	Free Form Name
rw_tom@...	Rob Tom - Kanata Ontario Canada
klerner@...	Kelley Lerner - Mongolia, Seattle WA USA
billc_lists@...	Austin.Texas USA
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Date: 17 Dec 2004 10:42:34 -0600
From: "Kuba" kuba@...
Subject: new member

Hello, 

I'm Kuba, a Czech architect currently living in France. 

First of all, I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Martin Oehlmann very
much for his proposal. I became a part of the Global Straw Building Network
(GSBN) list because of him. I want to thank Chug and Lars Keller for their
support. Thanks to Tom Rijven, Herwig Van Soom, Barbara Jones and Bee Rowan
for a delightful opportunity to work with them and learn from them. All the
people I met at straw bale building sites and straw bale gatherings added to
the overall warm feeling that I associate with straw balle building.

I'm submitting the plans of straw bale family house in Nachod, East Bohemia,
the Czech Republic for building permits at the end of January. There is only
one legaly built straw bale house in the Czech Republic so far (
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.ateliersea.com/starten.htm";>http://www.ateliersea.com/starten.htm</a> , click "REFERENCES" and then the first
link at the left upper corner of the site). It is in Mlada Boleslav and I hope
that in spring we are going to start to build the second one in Nachod.


Marry Christmas and a lot of success in the year 2005.

Kuba

PS.: Worth looking are also pictures at:
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.ecn.cz/ekodum/akce/sbi/mnichovice.html";>http://www.ecn.cz/ekodum/akce/sbi/mnichovice.html</a> and
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.ecn.cz/ekodum/akce/sbi/krtiny.html";>http://www.ecn.cz/ekodum/akce/sbi/krtiny.html</a> although both links are
available only in Czech language. Czech organization EKODUM - Czech straw bale
architect Ales Brotanek - together with Austrian Global 2000 are behind those
experiments. EKODUM does a great job in lecturing all over the country about
ecological building.


Jakub Wihan
3 Blvd. de la Villette
75010 Paris
France
0033-142410494
www.jakubwihan.com



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Date: 17 Dec 2004 11:01:38 -0600
From: Chris Magwood TLSEditor@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Re: Proposal

Hello All,

I guess I should wade into this fray at this point. I personally
wouldn't recommend Hank as a GSBN member. He has recently set up his
own discussion group through the OSBBC, and feel his efforts are best
directed toward helping OSBBC members and the public in addressing
basic sb concerns. He is a tireless promoter of sb and will do much
good in that role.

I have been unofficially acting as liason with the OSBBC in terms of
hot GSBN action. Via my role in organizing the 2006 conference, I'll
continue to do so.

Now, it seems to me everybody's been more fired up to post to GSBN
about these personal issues... how about taking that energy and using
it to write up some high-quality rants for the Myth Vs. Reality issue
of TLS? Your opinion on any sb topic could be immortalized in this
issue! Let your Reality rule! Write soon!

Chris
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***************************

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<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawhomes.ca";>http://www.strawhomes.ca</a>

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Date: 17 Dec 2004 12:41:12 -0600
From: "Chug." chug@...
Subject: GSBN:Re: Bad Proposal

As the original proposer of Hank, I feel I should bring this debate to a close
by withdrawing my
proposal as there seems to be overwhelming support for his exclusion, I
thought, as Chris just said,
that he was a promoter of SB building, and I also mistakenly thought he was
the rep/contact for
OSBBC, but it sure has fired people up on this list.

Chug




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Date: 17 Dec 2004 16:32:21 -0600
From: Paul Lacinski paul@...
Subject: New member discussion policy

Hi all,

First off, thanks to Chug for your graceful retraction, and to Chris
for your honest assessment of the Hank situation.

Now we are only left with the question of what to do about the
archives. My opinion is that the Hank thread has no value except as
gossip, which is to say that it has a negative value.   For the sake
of avoiding any possible pain to Hank, I would move that we ask Bill
to strike it.  There's enough pain in this world without any
unintended contributions from us.

But now I will speak as the official Liberal From Massachusetts, who
wants to put a big government beurocracy over this list.  As this
discussion has gone along it has come clear to me that we never had
any business posting discussion of  new  members to our archives.
When would you ever do this?  Can you imagine a company or agency
that, after hiring a new employee, posted a list on the web of all
the people they did and didn't hire, and transcripts of the internal
meetings?  Can you imagine having a party and posting a list on the
web of who was invited, and also who was not invited, and why?

We could just decide to strike all discussion of candidates who are
ultimately rejected. (And who knows, maybe there won't be any more.)
But to me it makes life alot easier (for everyone except Bill) if we
agree to strike all threads regarding new members.  Our internal
business is never of practical use to the wider world, regardless of
the outcome.  There is no value to openness, here.  So unless Bill
thinks it would be an imposition, I would move that from now on we
remove all of these new member discussions.

All the best,

Paul
- --
Paul M. Lacinski
GreenSpace Collaborative
Sidehill Farm
Mail: PO Box 107
Packages: 463 Main Street
Ashfield, MA 01330 USA
(001) 413 628 3800

View excerpts from Serious Straw Bale at:
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Date: 17 Dec 2004 18:19:35 -0600
From: forum@...
Subject: *INTERNAL* and a quote for your myth, Chris

> But to me it makes life alot easier (for everyone except Bill) if we
> agree to strike all threads regarding new members.  Our internal
> business is never of practical use to the wider world, regardless of
> the outcome.  There is no value to openness, here.  So unless Bill
> thinks it would be an imposition, I would move that from now on we
> remove all of these new member discussions.

To make Bills cleaning taks possible (without him having to judge the content
of
every mail) I suggest that we add *INTERNAL* to the message title whenever one
of us feels that the content is considered internal (or not intended to be in
the archives, copied etc.) as I have in this mail as an example.
That way Bill (or whoever takes over when he goes to the loo) knows in a flash
that this mail is to be washed down (on his next trip to ..)

As for 'Chris and the Myths':
>... how about taking that energy and using it to write up some high-quality
> rants for the Myth Vs. Reality

I'll give you a quote for TLS about Bales &amp; Moisture if you dare print it:

"Claiming that it is OK to let your bales get wet because you have had the
exp#233#rience that the've dried out OK is as like claiming it is OK to hit
your
wife, just because she did not walk out you when you did.
Your straw (just as your wife) does not forget(*1), and the next drop...
Besides, one cannot generalize women (nor men for that matter) any easier than
SB buidings(*2). So be gentle with your partner(s) AND your straw!"

(*1) In fact, fungus HAS d#233#veloped (even if you don't see or smell it),
next
time it'll pick up from that point and grow more.
(*2) Quality of the straw (climatic influences before and after harvesting),
craft(wo)mansship, local climat and architecture/exposure.

Next part is not for print:
Though I have no comments on how I treat Coralie (the woman I love), I did
make
a grewsome error when I started our project. Instead of listing to my father,
who suggested I'd take my time to think things over after buying our land in
France, I used the plans that we got for free when we bought the land with the
foundations allready poored by someone who got a divorce before got a wall up
(It should have made me think ;-). Anyway, We have our biggest fa#231#ade
facing
the atlantic ocean...
It HAS gotton wet and it HAS dried out. Still,... every storm that comes in
makes me regret my previous ignorance. But hey,... Coralie is still there and
she tells me that a house is just a house. I just hope those who read my book
or come to our workshops will do as I say and not as I did.

Merry Xmas too you all and be nice to yourself, those arround you (even if
that
means having to say no to them) AND to your bales.

Andr#233#

PS Welcome to the club KUBA, I take it you recovered from the Salon 'B#226#tir
Ecologique' in Paris.


Those who are happy are those who have faith in the future. And faith (IMHO),
is
a selective extapolation of what we have learned in and from our past.


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Date: 17 Dec 2004 18:19:49 -0600
From: forum@...
Subject: *INTERNAL* and a quote for your myth, Chris

> But to me it makes life alot easier (for everyone except Bill) if we
> agree to strike all threads regarding new members.  Our internal
> business is never of practical use to the wider world, regardless of
> the outcome.  There is no value to openness, here.  So unless Bill
> thinks it would be an imposition, I would move that from now on we
> remove all of these new member discussions.

To make Bills cleaning taks possible (without him having to judge the content
of
every mail) I suggest that we add *INTERNAL* to the message title whenever one
of us feels that the content is considered internal (or not intended to be in
the archives, copied etc.) as I have in this mail as an example.
That way Bill (or whoever takes over when he goes to the loo) knows in a flash
that this mail is to be washed down (on his next trip to ..)

As for 'Chris and the Myths':
>... how about taking that energy and using it to write up some high-quality
> rants for the Myth Vs. Reality

I'll give you a quote for TLS about Bales &amp; Moisture if you dare print it:

"Claiming that it is OK to let your bales get wet because you have had the
exp#233#rience that the've dried out OK is as like claiming it is OK to hit
your
wife, just because she did not walk out you when you did.
Your straw (just as your wife) does not forget(*1), and the next drop...
Besides, one cannot generalize women (nor men for that matter) any easier than
SB buidings(*2). So be gentle with your partner(s) AND your straw!"

(*1) In fact, fungus HAS d#233#veloped (even if you don't see or smell it),
next
time it'll pick up from that point and grow more.
(*2) Quality of the straw (climatic influences before and after harvesting),
craft(wo)mansship, local climat and architecture/exposure.

Next part is not for print:
Though I have no comments on how I treat Coralie (the woman I love), I did
make
a grewsome error when I started our project. Instead of listing to my father,
who suggested I'd take my time to think things over after buying our land in
France, I used the plans that we got for free when we bought the land with the
foundations allready poored by someone who got a divorce before got a wall up
(It should have made me think ;-). Anyway, We have our biggest fa#231#ade
facing
the atlantic ocean...
It HAS gotton wet and it HAS dried out. Still,... every storm that comes in
makes me regret my previous ignorance. But hey,... Coralie is still there and
she tells me that a house is just a house. I just hope those who read my book
or come to our workshops will do as I say and not as I did.

Merry Xmas too you all and be nice to yourself, those arround you (even if
that
means having to say no to them) AND to your bales.

Andr#233#

PS Welcome to the club KUBA, I take it you recovered from the Salon 'B#226#tir
Ecologique' in Paris.


Those who are happy are those who have faith in the future. And faith (IMHO),
is
a selective extapolation of what we have learned in and from our past.


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Date: 17 Dec 2004 18:24:22 -0600
From: jeff@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy

Hear ye!  Hear ye!

I agree with Paul and have not participated up to this point because I
personally do not know anyone involved.  I would, however, like to
comment on the function of this list.

I LIKE having access to everyone here in this "chosen" way!  Whatever we
decide, I would like it to not jeapordize the feeling of close peers
commenting and exchanging views.  There are only a few venues I feel
that we are able to do this within.  I don't think releasing the
archives jeapordizes this only if the feedback doesn't overwhelm us, in
terms of volume and/or tone.

Y'all have a great new year!

Jeff Ruppert, P.E.
Principal

Odisea LLC
Ecological Building, Engineering and Consulting

Front Range Office 		West Slope Office
5444 Marshall Road		1022 Main St.
Boulder, CO  81623		Carbondale, CO 81623
303.443.4335			970.948.5744
303.443.4355 f			1.866.795.6699 f
jeff@...
www.odiseanet.com



Paul Lacinski wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> First off, thanks to Chug for your graceful retraction, and to Chris
> for your honest assessment of the Hank situation.
>
> Now we are only left with the question of what to do about the
> archives. My opinion is that the Hank thread has no value except as
> gossip, which is to say that it has a negative value.   For the sake
> of avoiding any possible pain to Hank, I would move that we ask Bill
> to strike it.  There's enough pain in this world without any
> unintended contributions from us.
>
> But now I will speak as the official Liberal From Massachusetts, who
> wants to put a big government beurocracy over this list.  As this
> discussion has gone along it has come clear to me that we never had
> any business posting discussion of  new  members to our archives.
> When would you ever do this?  Can you imagine a company or agency
> that, after hiring a new employee, posted a list on the web of all
> the people they did and didn't hire, and transcripts of the internal
> meetings?  Can you imagine having a party and posting a list on the
> web of who was invited, and also who was not invited, and why?
>
> We could just decide to strike all discussion of candidates who are
> ultimately rejected. (And who knows, maybe there won't be any more.)
> But to me it makes life alot easier (for everyone except Bill) if we
> agree to strike all threads regarding new members.  Our internal
> business is never of practical use to the wider world, regardless of
> the outcome.  There is no value to openness, here.  So unless Bill
> thinks it would be an imposition, I would move that from now on we
> remove all of these new member discussions.
>
> All the best,
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul M. Lacinski
> GreenSpace Collaborative
> Sidehill Farm
> Mail: PO Box 107
> Packages: 463 Main Street
> Ashfield, MA 01330 USA
> (001) 413 628 3800
>
> View excerpts from Serious Straw Bale at:
> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/seriousstrawbale";>http://www.chelseagreen.com/2004/items/seriousstrawbale</a>
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Date: 17 Dec 2004 19:21:20 -0600
From: Strawnet@...
Subject: *INTERNAL*  Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy

Well, this is great! I had started to write a message suggesting we mark
all messages that are of an internal nature with a word and "internal"
was my thought too. I got interrupted and when I came back to it I
discovered that AndrE had the same idea. Terrific! If we can keep these
kinds of discussions out of the archives it'll be better for all of us.

It does mean, however, that when we write something that's for internal
consumption, we'll want to remember that if we digress into something of
general or wider interest, it will be purged along with the internal
info.

So messages on internal matters should be limited to internal subjects
only and not mixed with myths, or old (or new) wives tales, or
discussions of bale travails, baler sales, wet bales from fierce gales,
bad details, or fine wheat ales...

Have a wonderful weekend and holiday season...

David

David Eisenberg, Director
Development Center for Appropriate Technology
P.O. Box 27513, Tucson, AZ  85726-7513
(520) 624-6628 voice / (520) 798-3701 fax
strawnet@...
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"Truly appropriate technology is technology that ordinary people
can use for their own benefit and the benefit of their community
that doesn't make them dependent on systems over which they have
no control."             John F.C. Turner



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Date: 17 Dec 2004 21:47:31 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: Re: *INTERNAL*  Re: GSBN:New member discussion policy

At 7:58 PM -0500 12/17/04, Strawnet@...:
>Well, this is great! I had started to write a message suggesting we mark
>all messages that are of an internal nature with a word and "internal"
>was my thought too. I got interrupted and when I came back to it I
>discovered that AndrE had the same idea. Terrific! If we can keep these
>kinds of discussions out of the archives it'll be better for all of us.
>
>It does mean, however, that when we write something that's for internal
>consumption, we'll want to remember that if we digress into something of
>general or wider interest, it will be purged along with the internal
>info.

I was about to chime in on that as well.  "Internal" is a great idea,
as long as y'all do it and don't mix bale talk with the private
stuff.   I might even be able to figure out a way to automate having
those message not be sent to the archives... in my copious spare
time, of course.

>
>So messages on internal matters should be limited to internal subjects
>only and not mixed with myths, or old (or new) wives tales, or
>discussions of bale travails, baler sales, wet bales from fierce gales,
>bad details, or fine wheat ales...

Hmmm, friday night, lots of holiday parties, and methinks ol' David
may have gotten an early start on that last item ;-)


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