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-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by billc_lists@...
-> Moisture research
     by "Jakub Wihan" kuba@...
-> Re: GSBN:Moisture research
     by duncan@...
-> RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by "Nehemiah  Stone" stoneandstraw@...
-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by john@...
-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by duncan@...
-> RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by duncan@...
-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by john@...
-> RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
     by "Nehemiah  Stone" stoneandstraw@...
-> RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 02:12:29 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

At 11:39 PM +0000 2/24/06, Chug. wrote:
>Joyce emailed me to ask a similar question as we both were targets
>of his earlier SB website promotion, Trevor started his SB
>website <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawbale.co.uk/";>http://www.strawbale.co.uk/</a> some time back (I get people
>saying they found it searching for my website url) and he stated
>that he was going to do a strawbale newsletter for UK, as far as I
>know it has never appeared, another guy started a similar
>international forum for anyone interested in SB awhile back but he
>pulled it after a few months due to lack of interest, and it
>appears that Trevor's forum it is for all sbers not just experts.
>I sent Trevor a reply saying basically what Wolfie said below, I'm
>busy, I can hardly keep up with the many existing lists/groups,
>and that another attempt at an international forum failed recently,
>but wished him all the best with it.
>
>I'll finish with Joyce's last reply
>
>"I guess I'll withhold comment or judgement about this until some
>time has passed. My initial reaction is that he's just adding
>another layer to the many sites that are cluttering the Internet. We'll see."
>Joyce

I also got several emails from him (through at least two of my email
addresses) about the forum.  I hadn't had time to go check it out.

It may be an idea that never happens, since a fair number of other
such forums already exist.  Or it might take off.  I suspect that
Trevor recently got jazzed about SB and decided to put together this
resource without first looking around to see if such an animal
already exists. If we didn't already have the GSBN, a handful of
general lists and a growing number of local-area lists it would be an
excellent idea, and i'd be all for it.

Unless it has an email component or is likely to have had discussion
threads which I can search for very specific information (as I do
with some software that I use) I have very little use for web forums.
I've got enough things going that the convenience of having mail
delivered to my inbox is much more likely to get my attention than
having to go to some website and log in, no matter how effortless
that process is. That little bit of extra effort is enough that I
just don't go there often, if ever.


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Date: 25 Feb 2006 11:35:19 -0600
From: "Jakub Wihan" kuba@...
Subject: Moisture research



 

Hello everybody,

 

I'm always following the moisture discussions on GSBN with great interest. I
wasn't part of discussion yet, but this questionnaire could be a contribution.
Im trying to analyze the story and field experience.

 

In a recent discussion, I read that by working with straw, we all are becoming
moisture experts. This is something I totally agree with. Let's share what we
have found so far. Bringing experiences together and analysing them is
something that I feel is very valuable.  

Please fill out Questionnaire below to gather further insights. It is part of
the research for a thesis about moisture behavior in straw bale walls. It will
look at how different types of protection influence the longevity of straw
within a straw bale wall.

 

This questionnaire is addressed to experienced straw bale builders. 

 

Its goal is to find out:

- -  the most common reason for rot and mold growing in existing straw bale
walls

- -  the best proven prevention against moisture failure of a straw bale
construction

 

By answering these questions you will be adding practical experience, into the
theoretical work. The more people that submit this form, the more meaningful
findings this thesis will embrace.

 

Your contribution will be highly appreciated. 

 

The research results, together with the thesis will be available as a free
download on the Internet. The address will be available for everybody at The
Last Straw annual resource guide.

 

Your reply will be treated as anonymous, if you wish.

 

Thank you very much for your cooperation. 

 

 

 

MSc Architecture

Environment and Energy Studies at University of East London and Center for
Alternative Technology

 

Q U E S T I O N N A I R E

  

 

1. What kind of finish do you prefer to use for the interior of a straw bale
wall?

a) Earth plaster, b) Earth plaster stabilized with lime, c) Lime plaster (lime
putty), d) Lime plaster (hydrated lime), e) Lime plaster (hydraulic lime), f)
Lime-cement plaster mix, g) Cement stucco, h) Earth plaster stabilized with
cement, i) Gypsum plaster, j) Bricks, k) Panelling (Cladding), l) Other:

 

1.1 Please name all components and their ratios including all special
additives. Please briefly explain the methodology of preparation and
application:

 

 

2. What kind of finish do you prefer to use for the exterior of a straw bale
wall?

a) Earth plaster, b) Earth plaster stabilized with lime, c) Lime plaster (lime
putty), d) Lime plaster (hydrated lime), e) Lime plaster (hydraulic lime), f)
Lime-cement plaster mix, g) Cement stucco, h) Earth plaster stabilized with
cement, i) Gypsum plaster, j) Bricks, k) Panelling (Cladding), l) Other:

 

2.1 Please name all components and their ratios including all special
additives. Please briefly explain the methodology of preparation and
application:

 

 

3. What makes your plaster weather resistant?

 

 

4. With your choice of materials, do you think that condensation occurs in the
straw just under the coat on the colder side of a straw bale wall?  

Yes, No

 

5. Do you think that the condensation is a serious risk?

Yes, No

 

By moisture problem is meant any problem related to straw and moisture (either
directly or indirectly) that caused damage needing reparation. If one moisture
problem involves more than one answer, please be sure to include the problem
in every answer it applies to.

 

6. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem that you think is
related to condensation have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

7. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem, that you think is
related to driving rain have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

8. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem that you think is
related to back splash have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

9. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem that you think is
related to rising damp have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

10. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem, that you think is
related to bad roof detailing, have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

11. How many straw bale buildings with a moisture problem related to humidity
imposed during the construction have you seen?

Please write a number:

 

12. If you have seen a straw bale building with a moisture problem that you
think is related to a cause not listed above, please describe briefly the case
here:

 

 

13. A bale that has been previously rained on becomes discolored when it
dries. Depending on the amount of rain exposure, the layer of discolored straw
penetrates the straw bale. What depth of penetration do you consider
acceptable for use in straw bale construction?

a) I wouldn't ever use discolored straw bale, b) Discolored slightly on the
surface is acceptable, c) Discolored layer 0 - 10mm deep is acceptable, d)
Discolored layer 10 - 30mm deep is acceptable, e) Discolored layer more than
30mm is acceptable.

 

13.1 Do you have any comments on question 13?

 

 

14. What is the acceptable percentage of weeds mixed with straw in straw bale
for use in straw bale construction?

a) 0%, b) 0-10%, c) 10-30%, d) 30-50%, e) 50%+

 

14.1 Do you have any comments on question 14?

 

 

15. Do you use moisture meters?

Yes, No

 

16. What do you think is the acceptable moisture content of straw in inhabited
straw bale building?

a) 0-10%, b) 10-15%, c) 15-20%, d) 20-25%, e) 25-30%, f) 30%+

 

17. Have you monitored moisture inside a straw bale wall?

Yes, No

 

(If yes, would you share the monitored data and your results by attaching them
to this questionnaire?)

 

18. Would you build for a client a straw bale construction in a hot, humid
climate?

 

 

If you have any straw bale moisture stories that are funny, scary,
instructive, or if you have any further recommendations, please feel free to
write here:

 

 

19. Do you wish to be treated as anonymous?

Yes, No

 

 

Please email back completed document to: kuba@...

 

 

Thank you very much for your contribution to this research

Kuba

 

3 Blvd. de la Villette

750 10  Paris

France

 

Tel. +33 (0)1 42 41 04 94


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Date: 25 Feb 2006 11:53:47 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Moisture research

On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 13:56 +0100, Jakub Wihan wrote:

> I'm always following the moisture discussions on GSBN with great interest. I
wasn't part of discussion yet, but this questionnaire could be a contribution.
Im trying to analyze the story and field experience.

<a  target="_blank" href="http://lithgow-schmidt.dk/isbbc/files/reports.html";>http://lithgow-schmidt.dk/isbbc/files/reports.html</a> Scroll down to
'Moisture Tests'

Duncan
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 13:20:04 -0600
From: "Nehemiah  Stone" stoneandstraw@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

All,
While I agree with the sentiments expressed that we all have enough to do,
and enough places to share our knowledge with each other, I think that some
of Trevor's outreach message should not be ignored.  He said, in part:
"As a fellow Straw Bale enthusiast (I'm not an expert in any way) I looked
around the net for a central place that all or most experts congregated and
from where I could get the best and most comprehensive guidance and advice.
However there wasn't one. As such I thought I would do it myself and
consequently started this forum."
I know and appreciate the philosophy behind the "restricted" membership of
this list, but Trevor's search for a place where he could get "the best and
most comprehensive advice" from experts could not get him into this
discussion.  It makes me wonder if we are doing enough to get the collected
wisom of our discussions out to the "next generation."  Bill, is there a way
that those not on this discussion list can access, say, archives of the
discussions, sortable by topic?  If so, I apologize for this unedcated waste
of everyone's time.  But, if not, then can we do that fairly simply?
...without piling another burden upon the volunteers (e.g., mostly you)?
Nehemiah

- -----Original Message-----
From: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] On Behalf Of
billc_lists@...
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:03 AM
To: GSBN
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

At 11:39 PM +0000 2/24/06, Chug. wrote:
>Joyce emailed me to ask a similar question as we both were targets of
>his earlier SB website promotion, Trevor started his SB website
><a  target="_blank" href="http://www.strawbale.co.uk/";>http://www.strawbale.co.uk/</a> some time back (I get people saying they
>found it searching for my website url) and he stated that he was going
>to do a strawbale newsletter for UK, as far as I know it has never
>appeared, another guy started a similar international forum for anyone
>interested in SB awhile back but he pulled it after a few months due to
>lack of interest, and it appears that Trevor's forum it is for all
>sbers not just experts.
>I sent Trevor a reply saying basically what Wolfie said below, I'm
>busy, I can hardly keep up with the many existing lists/groups, and
>that another attempt at an international forum failed recently, but
>wished him all the best with it.
>
>I'll finish with Joyce's last reply
>
>"I guess I'll withhold comment or judgement about this until some time
>has passed. My initial reaction is that he's just adding another layer
>to the many sites that are cluttering the Internet. We'll see."
>Joyce

I also got several emails from him (through at least two of my email
addresses) about the forum.  I hadn't had time to go check it out.

It may be an idea that never happens, since a fair number of other such
forums already exist.  Or it might take off.  I suspect that Trevor recently
got jazzed about SB and decided to put together this resource without first
looking around to see if such an animal already exists. If we didn't already
have the GSBN, a handful of general lists and a growing number of local-area
lists it would be an excellent idea, and i'd be all for it.

Unless it has an email component or is likely to have had discussion threads
which I can search for very specific information (as I do with some software
that I use) I have very little use for web forums.
I've got enough things going that the convenience of having mail delivered
to my inbox is much more likely to get my attention than having to go to
some website and log in, no matter how effortless that process is. That
little bit of extra effort is enough that I just don't go there often, if
ever.


- --
Bill Christensen
<<a  target="_blank" href="http://sustainablesources.com/contact/";>http://sustainablesources.com/contact/</a>>

Green Building Professionals Directory: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://directory.sustainablesources.com";>http://directory.sustainablesources.com</a>>
Sustainable Building Calendar: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/";>http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/</a>>
Green Real Estate: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://SustainableSources.com/realestate/";>http://SustainableSources.com/realestate/</a>>
Straw Bale Registry: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/";>http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/</a>>
Books/videos/software: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/";>http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/</a>>
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GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this list
are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the GSBN
as an advisory board and technical editing arm.

For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 14:27:23 -0600
From: john@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

G 'day Nehemiah

Regarding the archives of various lists I have found theYahoo method the
simplest and the best to use that is why I am a fan of the SB r-us list.

The European list is one that SB discussion is warming up and some
interesting posts there lately with some useful information.  I am not aware
of what the CREST list is up to and so on.  The GSBN list has had some
interesting topics lately especially on moisture and I am sure everyone in
SB land should be able to share this discussion?

Would it not be just wonderful if we all were on the one list no
exclusions.  How to do that?  Which list? That is obvious the SB r-us list
because of it's simplicity and ease of use.  It is also the best forum so
far for sharing photos, files and archives.  It already has a very good
"library".

Why cannot Trevor join the SB r-us list and share his knowledge with us
there same goes for all of us.  I feel that the other lists are no way as
flexible and do not provide an easy  tool for the central gathering of SB
knowledge.

Some of us go to a lot of trouble to share the wealth of knowledge
especially Bill and Athena and many others I know and it is best used where
it can be retrieved and illustrated with photos and diagrams and as far as I
know the Yahoo lists are the only ones where this can happen.

I call on all of you to consider this without taking umbridge it just makes
a lot of sense to have a central clearing house for our common good and for
the good of the built environment.

PS Pass it on to the other lists!

Kind regards
The Straw Wolf
Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/";>http://www.glassford.com.au/</a>
61 2 6927 6027
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/";>http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/</a>
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 14:57:36 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

On Sun, 2006-02-26 at 07:17 +1100, John Glassford wrote:
> G 'day Nehemiah
> 
> Regarding the archives of various lists I have found theYahoo method the
> simplest and the best to use that is why I am a fan of the SB r-us list.
Yahoo lists have many useful functions but...

...they have a very important problem. If you decide to stop using the
list (maybe you want to use a different service) they do not allow you
to make a copy of or move the archive. The archive will eventually be
deleted and is then gone forever. It's called 'captive customers' - you
can't afford to choose another service.

Duncan
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 14:59:56 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 11:12 -0800, Nehemiah Stone wrote:
I wasn't 'invited' to be on this list, but I'm here so I'll comment...
and this email has nothing to do with Straw Bale and everything to do
with its future.
> All,
> While I agree with the sentiments expressed that we all have enough to do,
> and enough places to share our knowledge with each other, I think that some
> of Trevor's outreach message should not be ignored.  He said, in part:
> "As a fellow Straw Bale enthusiast (I'm not an expert in any way) I looked
> around the net for a central place that all or most experts congregated and
> from where I could get the best and most comprehensive guidance and advice.
> However there wasn't one. As such I thought I would do it myself and
> consequently started this forum."
I'm no expert on Straw Bale but I know a bit about the internet, email
lists and search engines. I'll say this: finding authoritative,
comprehensive resources is near impossible. (but hey, we are talking
about building a whole house here) Some very good resources are hard to
find, and when they are found some of the websites are, err, how do I
say this, 'homemade' and lack important features, like a useful search
function. Don't get me wrong, many are good sites but navigation,
usability, functions and the actual HTML are not ideal. So sometimes
even when the site is found, the most useful content can't be found.
This is not a criticism of those who run their own sites, on their own
time and money - it's a function of how easy it is to make a website
that basically works.

There must be literally hundreds of good sites (good in terms of
resources) with good articles which new bailers just never come across.
I spoke to a few people at ISBBC 2004 about this and suggested some
technical solutions which, in hindsight, were too technical for the
people I spoke with (it involved re-designing website code to use Dublin
core meta tags, making our own shared set of keywords and having an RSS
based 'aggregation' site to collect topic-tagged articles as they were
published. If that means anything to you let me know.)

As this list is not publicly archived I thinks it's right that I ask if
I can pass on to Trevor the general comments made here about the forum?

Duncan
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 15:18:08 -0600
From: john@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

G 'day Duncan

You make some valid points especially about ownership of the list contents.
Maybe we should have this discussion on all the lists?  I see no problem in
passing on the discussion here to Trevor concerning his request to create
another list.

However this list is supposed to be a closed list and by invitation only so
I can only speak for my posts and they can be used by anyone, anywhere at
anytime as far as I am concerned as being the author of my own posts I
should be able to do what I like with them?

What say the rest of the GSBN mob?

Kind regards
The Straw Wolf
Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/";>http://www.glassford.com.au/</a>
61 2 6927 6027
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/";>http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/</a>
Member of RFFA: Rotarians Action Group Fighting AIDS.
<a  target="_blank" href="http://rffa.org/";>http://rffa.org/</a>
61 2 6927 6027


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Date: 25 Feb 2006 19:14:12 -0600
From: "Nehemiah  Stone" stoneandstraw@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

Unlike the "expert" content of the list discussions, where we have something
of real vlaue to share, I am not real comfortable with the idea of sharing
our "process" discussions.  We had this debate once before.  I line up with
those who think that sharing the whole of the disucssions (particularly
about who should be on the list and whether we should share all the
discussions with someone not on the list) would have a chilling effect on
the list's candor.
Just my $0.02.
Nehemiah

- -----Original Message-----
From: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] On Behalf Of John Glassford
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:08 PM
To: GSBN
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

G 'day Duncan

You make some valid points especially about ownership of the list contents.
Maybe we should have this discussion on all the lists?  I see no problem in
passing on the discussion here to Trevor concerning his request to create
another list.

However this list is supposed to be a closed list and by invitation only so
I can only speak for my posts and they can be used by anyone, anywhere at
anytime as far as I am concerned as being the author of my own posts I
should be able to do what I like with them?

What say the rest of the GSBN mob?

Kind regards
The Straw Wolf
Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/";>http://www.glassford.com.au/</a>
61 2 6927 6027
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/";>http://www.coolamonrotary.com/maps/</a>
Member of RFFA: Rotarians Action Group Fighting AIDS.
<a  target="_blank" href="http://rffa.org/";>http://rffa.org/</a>
61 2 6927 6027


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GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this list
are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the GSBN
as an advisory board and technical editing arm.

For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
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Date: 25 Feb 2006 22:50:50 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:Fwd: NEW SB forum, clarification.

First, let me remind you all that there IS an archive of this list,
and it is available on Yahoo.  There are instructions in every
monthly Help file you get (and you'll get again in about three days,
so please read it this time). Feel free to pass that info on to
Trevor or anyone else.  Somewhere in the archives you'll find our
discussion about the whole topic, and our intent to not hide behind
closed doors. I think everyone here realizes that what is discussed
here can have implications through much of the SB world, and the
original structure of the list itself was intended to transmit that
information to (and from) the greater straw building world.

Second, with a little technical knowhow it should be possible to use
a search engine or similar tool to capture the content of the SB-R-Us
list from Yahoo (or any other publicly archived list, for that
matter). In fact, a year or so into SB-R-Us's existence this same
question came up about losing important content.  I ran my private
search engine on it, and it did an OK job (still needed a little
tweaking). Then if I remember correctly Yahoo extended their limits
and the immediate need went away.  Should it become needed, I've also
archived every post ever sent to the SB-R-Us and virtually all the
Crest/REPP list's posts in my own email boxes, and that could be
extracted and made available.

Duncan, I'm not familiar with Dublin core meta tags, please give me
some background offlist. Perhaps we could work in the directions you
mentioned.  FYI and off the record, I've been strongly considering
changing our Sourcebook (<a  target="_blank" href="http://sustainablesources.com/sourcebook/";>http://sustainablesources.com/sourcebook/</a>) into a
Wiki, so that the burden of keeping up with the latest information
could be spread to many others.  Perhaps the Strawbale chapter there
could become much deeper and wider through the mechanism that you
speak of.



At 5:06 PM -0800 2/25/06, Nehemiah  Stone wrote:
>Unlike the "expert" content of the list discussions, where we have something
>of real vlaue to share, I am not real comfortable with the idea of sharing
>our "process" discussions.  We had this debate once before.  I line up with
>those who think that sharing the whole of the disucssions (particularly
>about who should be on the list and whether we should share all the
>discussions with someone not on the list) would have a chilling effect on
>the list's candor.
>Just my $0.02.
>Nehemiah

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