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-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by "Bohdan Dorniak & Co Pty Ltd" bdco@...
-> Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls
     by john@...
-> International database of natural buildings
     by Mark Piepkorn mark@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by "timok" timok@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by strawnet@...
-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls
     by duncan@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by duncan@...
-> Re: GSBN:Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls
     by Bruce King ecobruce@...
-> Re: Paul Olivier in Louisiana
     by Bruce King ecobruce@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by Martin Hammer mfhammer@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by duncan@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by billc_lists@...
-> Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation
     by billc_lists@...


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Date: 24 Mar 2006 01:05:07 -0600
From: "Bohdan Dorniak & Co Pty Ltd" bdco@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

Hi
I would think that chopped straw insulation would be a fire hazard.
We have chopped up paper that is blown into ceilings but I believe that it
is pre treated for fire resistance with ?borax??
regards
Bohdan Dorniak

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joyce Coppinger" jc10508@...
To: "GSBN" GSBN@...
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation


> or blow-in attic insulation is the question. Anyone hard of this before?
> If
> so do you know a source for details or more information?
>
> Joyce
> -------
> Joyce Coppinger, Managing Editor
> The Last Straw journal
> GPFS/TLS, PO Box 22706, Lincoln NE 68542-2706 USA
> 402.483.5135, fax 402.483.5161
> thelaststraw@...
> www.thelaststraw.org
>
> ----
> GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
> regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this
> list are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the
> GSBN as an advisory board and technical editing arm.
>
> For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list,
> send email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
> ----
>



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 09:13:46 -0600
From: john@...
Subject: Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls

G 'day Balesr

Can some of you help this English Chap please.  I have sent him some test
results but you may have more recent work.

Regards John Glassford.


 From Ian levett Structural Eng.
*EPA edward.parsley@...*

Hi

I am designing the structural elements for auctions rooms near Stansted
airport England.

The main timber frames span 14metres and the external walls are to be straw
bales between timber posts. Panel sizes of walls are 4.1m wide x 2.5 metres
high maximum.
 No problem with that, but if you have any information on racking resistance
of the bales, this would be very useful  in justifying  to our local
authority.

Many thanks  Ian


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Date: 24 Mar 2006 09:58:40 -0600
From: Mark Piepkorn mark@...
Subject: International database of natural buildings

Hey GSBNers,

	Maybe all of you know about this already while I somehow missed it -
but Lars Keller of Denmark (who we all know and love) has been
putting together an inspirational global database of (mostly)
contemporary natural buildings; he describes it as "like a database
equivalent to a 'coffee table' book." Each entry consists of at least
five photos and a few germane details. Many of the entries are not in
English. There are 83 so far. Please have a look, there are some
fabulous structures. <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.dr.dk/friland/undersider/levende_huse/";>http://www.dr.dk/friland/undersider/levende_huse/</a>

	This is a wonderful thing: using local examples to inspire global
change. Contributors to the project have ranged from
internationally-recognized players to one-off owner-builders. I hope
you'll take a few minutes to join them; this kind of rather simple
initiative can have profound effects.

	The database is for all natural building materials and methods. If
you have questions, please contact Lars at larskeller@...


Forwarded message:

- - - - - -

My name is Lars Keller. Since 1998 I have been working in the field
of Straw Bale building.

My main working field geographically speaking has been Denmark,
including jobs in Latvija and Mongolia, and study in USA, England,
Holland, France, Norway, Ireland and Australia.

The focus of my work in Denmark has been the passing on knowledge
about SB construction to the first generation of selfbuilders through
workshops, gatherings, as well as with the authorities to recognize
the building method by performing various tests of sb-constructions.

In 2004 my partner and I hosted the ISBBC 04  - the International
Straw Bale Building Conference 2004 - in the ecovillage where we live
in Denmark.

At the moment I am doing research for an only database called Living
House. The purpose of the database is to inspire people to build
sustainable, economically, and energywise, and it is a bit like a
database equivalent to a "coffee table" book.

Below you will find more in depth info about the database, as well as
a questionaire (or you can use the one in the attached file).

If you are interested in contributing to the database it is important
to be aware that each building needs 5 pictures about minimum app.
3x5 cm. The answers for the questionaire can be very brief. I am also
more than happy to give you a call and gather the answers via phoneinterview.

Best Regards.
Lars Keller
Denmark.
larskeller@...

- - - - - -

What is Living Houses?

'Living Houses' is a database intended to inspire people via pictures
and information on existing, finished 'living houses' to make
sustainable, energywise decisions when building, extending or
retrofitting their house.

The address is www.dr.dk/friland/undersider/levende_huse/index.asp

The database is provided and maintained by DR - Danish Radio, the
public Danish National Broadcaster.

The DR are committed to make the information in the database freely
available. Therefore, should the DR decide to take the database
off-line the information will be passed on to a relevant grassroots
organisation willing to provide and maintain it as a freely
accessible online database.

All the information in the database is provided by either
selfbuilders or builders.

Most of the information is compiled by Joanna Morandin &amp; Lars Keller.

Be part of the inspiring, sharing database

By filling out the formula below AND supplying minimum 5 pictures of
your house, you can include your own house in the database.

While taking photos and filling out the formula remember that the
intention is to be inspirational.

Should you have any questions, then do not hesitate in contacting

larskeller@...


Best Regards

Lars Keller

- -------------------Formula-------------------

The formula contains three parts:
- - house information
- - building details
- - sender details

The information will only be used to set up your Living Houses entry.
Your contact details will only be used to update your entry.

- - - - - -

House Information

Name of house:
- - eg, the Friland House

(text)


Description:
- - Tell a little about the history of the house and describe the
building process and phases. You could include any problems or
interesting experiences you came across during the building process.

(text)


Geographic Location:
Country, Region, Town.

(text)


Is it possible for people to visit your house?

(yes - no)


Climatic Conditions:
- - Describe your local climate, including rainfall and extremes of
wind, temperature, etc.

(text)


Size:
- - Size of house in whole square metres.

(text)


Materials Costs:
- - Approximate cost of materials in Euro or $US.

(text)


Building Started:
- - The year you started building.

(text)


Building Finished:
- -The year you finished building.

(text)


Email Address:

(text)


Website:

(text)

- - - - - -

Building Details

Construction:
- - Describe the overall construction of the house.

(text)


Foundation:
- - Describe the foundation, materials used etc.

(text)


Insulation:
- - Describe the kind of insulation used.

(text)


Sender's Details
(We may need to contact you for further information).

Name:

(text)


Email:
- - Your email address will be your user name if you need to change
your entry later.

(text)


Password:
- - You will need your password to make changes to your entry.

(text)


Repeat Password:

(text)


Finish.

- - - - - -

~~~

Jo, Asger og jeg er pt I Australien. Vi er i Danmark igen til november.
Marts, april og maj maaned kan vi traeffes paa nedenstaende adresse
og tlf-numre.

Jo, Asger and I are in Australia until November this year. During
March, April and May our contacts are:

jomorandin@...
larskeller@...

Lars, Jo og Asger
Seli Hoo
31 Addison Road
Black Forest
Adelaide
SA 5035
Australien

Fast nettlf: 0061 8829 76 249
Mobiltlf: 0061 405 366 455
~~~



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 10:03:45 -0600
From: "timok" timok@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

Hi Joyce,

Not chopped straw, but rice hulls. The fire tests( un-written-up, my
appologies to Bruce) show them to be as flame retardent as borate treated
cellulose or better. I've heard rummors about R-value but seen no data.
sounds like a good grant opportunity to me.

to busy pushing the envelope to address and stamp it,

Tim

Joyce Coppinger writes:

> or blow-in attic insulation is the question. Anyone hard of this before? If
> so do you know a source for details or more information?
>
> Joyce
> -------
> Joyce Coppinger, Managing Editor
> The Last Straw journal
> GPFS/TLS, PO Box 22706, Lincoln NE 68542-2706 USA
> 402.483.5135, fax 402.483.5161
> thelaststraw@...
> www.thelaststraw.org
>
> ----
> GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this list
are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the GSBN as
an advisory board and technical editing arm.
>
> For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
> ----
>




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Date: 24 Mar 2006 10:28:26 -0600
From: strawnet@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

Paul Olivier in Louisiana has done extensive testing and work with rice
hulls as insulation and there is a detailed and comprehensive paper
downloadable as a pdf file on his website at www.esrla.com/  He reports
that testing shows rice hulls have an R-value in excess of R-3/inch and
passed fire, flamespread and smoke development tests - from the
abstract of the paper:

The rice hulls are unique within nature. They contain approximately 20%
opaline silica in
combination with a large amount of the phenyl propanoid structural
polymer called
lignin. This abundant agricultural waste has all of the properties one
could ever expect of
some of the best insulating materials. Recent ASTM testing conducted
R&amp;D Services of
Cookville, Tennessee, reveals that rice hulls do not flame or smolder
very easily, they are
highly resistant to moisture penetration and fungal decomposition, they
do not transfer
heat very well, they do not smell or emit gases, and they are not
corrosive with respect to
aluminum, copper or steel. In their raw and unprocessed state, rice
hulls constitute a
Class A or Class I insulation material, and therefore, they can be used
very economically
to insulate the wall, floor and roof cavities of a super-insulated Rice
Hull House. This
paper also explains how the structure of such a house can be fashioned
out of a variety of
engineered lumber products derived from sugarcane rind.

I think the Rice Hull House project has been written up in The Last
Straw. Paul is a brilliant and tireless innovator - I wonder if we
should invite him to join GSBN? Matts and Judy, you know him, what do
you think?

David

- -----Original Message-----
From: timok timok@...
To: GSBN GSBN@...
Sent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:57:31 -0500
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

  Hi Joyce,

 Not chopped straw, but rice hulls. The fire tests( un-written-up, my
  appologies to Bruce) show them to be as flame retardent as borate
treated
  cellulose or better. I've heard rummors about R-value but seen no
data.
 sounds like a good grant opportunity to me.

 to busy pushing the envelope to address and stamp it,

 Tim

 Joyce Coppinger writes:

  > or blow-in attic insulation is the question. Anyone hard of this
before? If
 > so do you know a source for details or more information?
 >
 > Joyce
 > -------
 > Joyce Coppinger, Managing Editor
 > The Last Straw journal
 > GPFS/TLS, PO Box 22706, Lincoln NE 68542-2706 USA
 > 402.483.5135, fax 402.483.5161
 > thelaststraw@...
 > www.thelaststraw.org
 >
 > ----
  > GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and
representatives of regional straw construction organizations. The costs
of operating this list are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in
exchange for use of the GSBN as an advisory board and technical editing
arm.
 >
  > For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN
list, send email to GSBN@...HELP in the
SUBJECT line.
 > ----
 >

 ----
  GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and
representatives of regional straw construction organizations. The costs
of operating this list are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in
exchange for use of the GSBN as an advisory board and technical editing
arm.

  For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN
list, send email to GSBN@...HELP in the
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 10:55:33 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls

On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 22:01 +1100, John Glassford wrote:
> G 'day Balesr
>
> Can some of you help this English Chap please.  I have sent him some test
> results but you may have more recent work.
John are those results linked to the wikibook? If not could you add them
please - then we can just link to that

Ian here are all the structural reports I know of:
<a  target="_blank" href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Resources/Technical_Studies#Construction_Strength";>http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Resources/Technical_Studies#Construction_Strength</a>

The one that will be most useful for you is probably 'Testing of Straw
Bale Walls with out of Plane Loads'

If that helps, consider clicking edit somewhere and adding something to
the free wikibook in return.

Duncan



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:06:07 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:57 -0500, timok wrote:
> Hi Joyce,
>
> Not chopped straw, but rice hulls. The fire tests( un-written-up, my
> appologies to Bruce) show them to be as flame retardent as borate treated
> cellulose or better. I've heard rummors about R-value but seen no data.
> sounds like a good grant opportunity to me.
I've added your comments to the wikibooks section on roofing insulation,
please edit it if I've got something wrong.

<a  target="_blank" href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Techniques/Roofing#Roof_and_Ceiling_Insulation";>http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Techniques/Roofing#Roof_and_Ceiling_Insulation</a>

Duncan



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:06:25 -0600
From: Bruce King ecobruce@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Fwd: Straw-Bale Walls


On Mar 24, 2006, at 3:01 AM, John Glassford wrote:

> G 'day Balesr
>
> Can some of you help this English Chap please.  I have sent him some
> test
> results but you may have more recent work.
>
> Regards John Glassford.
>
>  From Ian levett Structural Eng.
> *EPA edward.parsley@...*

OK, Wolfie, I'll reply to Ian off-list.

Bruce King



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:14:58 -0600
From: Bruce King ecobruce@...
Subject: Re: Paul Olivier in Louisiana


On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:17 AM, strawnet@...:

> Paul Olivier in Louisiana has done extensive testing and work with rice
> hulls as insulation and there is a detailed and comprehensive paper
> downloadable as a pdf file on his website at www.esrla.com/  . . .
> Paul is a brilliant and tireless innovator - I wonder if we should
> invite him to join GSBN? Matts and Judy, you know him, what do you
> think?


Howdy, all --

I've met Paul, also, and was equally impressed.  Straw bale
construction per se isn't his thing, but he is a fountain of good
ideas, and would be a great addition to GSBN.

Also, along with everyone else, I think chopped straw as ceiling
insulation is a terrible idea UNLESS you take great care to seal it
with some plaster, both to prevent fire and conductive air flow.

Bruce King, PE
Director, Ecological Building Network  ( www.ecobuildnetwork.org )
Publisher, Green Building Press  ( www.greenbuildingpress.com )
209 Caledonia St.
Sausalito, CA 94965  USA
(415) 331-7630
bruce@ ecobuildnetwork.org


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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:28:27 -0600
From: Joyce Coppinger jc10508@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

Kris Dick wrote an article on use of rice hulls for insulation for TLS#47
which can be downloaded from the TLS web site www.thelaststraw.org (click on
back issues and scroll down or do a search on the word "rice"). Please check
with Kris Dick (krisdick@mts.net) before linking this article to the Wiki
book.

This sentence might be edited If straw bales are used in the roof their
weight and the moisture and fire risk for loose straw need to be considered.
to read If straw bales are used in the roof, their weight needs to be
considered. Moisture is another consideration, and there is a fire risk if
loose straw is used.

Another suggested edit: (For avoiding) To avoid moisture problems, it is
important that the bales be treated just as walls are - they need to have
good ventilation on the outer surface (a ventilation space) and should be
coated with some plaster (typically clay or lime plaster) that can absorb,
redistribute and release to the air any moisture.

Joyce


on 3.24.2006 10:52 AM, Duncan Lithgow at duncan@...:

> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 10:57 -0500, timok wrote:
>> Hi Joyce,
>> 
>> Not chopped straw, but rice hulls. The fire tests( un-written-up, my
>> appologies to Bruce) show them to be as flame retardant as borate treated
>> cellulose or better. I've heard rummors about R-value but seen no data.
>> sounds like a good grant opportunity to me.
> I've added your comments to the wikibooks section on roofing insulation,
> please edit it if I've got something wrong.
> 
>
<a  target="_blank" href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Techniques/Roofing#Roof_a";>http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Straw_Bale_Construction/Techniques/Roofing#Roof_a</a>
> nd_Ceiling_Insulation
> 
> Duncan
> 
> ----
> GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
> regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this list
> are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the GSBN
as
> an advisory board and technical editing arm.
> 
> For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
> email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
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Date: 24 Mar 2006 11:54:24 -0600
From: Martin Hammer mfhammer@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

Fire hazard is clearly the critical issue to address with the considered use
of chopped (or unchopped) straw as ceiling insulation (or in a framed wall
or floor cavity).

In Mongolia a fire started with bare copper wire running through loose straw
insulation in an attic.  This gained much media attention and an undeserved
bad name for strawbale in the region, which has been difficult to reverse.
See TLS #44, page 35 for an article regarding this by Paul Lacinski (Paul,
do you want to weigh in on this?).

Borate or some other treatment might make chopped or loose straw a
legitimate, fire-safe loose insulation, but of course it would have to be
developed/tested, etc.

I also invite new GSBN member Bob Theis (is he in yet?) to weigh in.  Bob
has particular interest/knowledge regarding straw bales and fire.

Martin Hammer
California






> or blow-in attic insulation is the question. Anyone hard of this before? If
> so do you know a source for details or more information?
>
> Joyce
> -------
> Joyce Coppinger, Managing Editor
> The Last Straw journal
> GPFS/TLS, PO Box 22706, Lincoln NE 68542-2706 USA
> 402.483.5135, fax 402.483.5161
> thelaststraw@...
> www.thelaststraw.org
>
> ----
> GSBN is an invitation-only forum of key individuals and representatives of
> regional straw construction organizations. The costs of operating this list
> are underwritten by The Last Straw Journal in exchange for use of the GSBN
as
> an advisory board and technical editing arm.
>
> For instructions on joining, leaving, or otherwise using the GSBN list, send
> email to GSBN@...HELP in the SUBJECT line.
> ----
>



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 14:30:25 -0600
From: duncan@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 11:17 -0600, Joyce Coppinger wrote:
> Kris Dick wrote an article on use of rice hulls for insulation for TLS#47
> which can be downloaded from the TLS web site www.thelaststraw.org (click on
> back issues and scroll down or do a search on the word "rice").
The link ( <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.thelaststraw.org/articles/Rice%20Hull%";>http://www.thelaststraw.org/articles/Rice%20Hull%</a>
20House.pdf ) doesn't work anymore. Is it the same article as linked
here: ( <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.esrla.com/pdf/The-Rice-Hull-House2.pdf";>http://www.esrla.com/pdf/The-Rice-Hull-House2.pdf</a> ) by Paul A.
Olivier?

> Please check
> with Kris Dick (krisdick@mts.net) before linking this article to the Wiki
> book.
There is no precedent for asking permission to link to a page on the
net. I'm not copying the texts into the wikibook, just incorporating
bits of information and referencing the report I get the info from.

> This sentence might be edited
Thanks, you're quite right in both suggestions, it now reads:

"If straw bales are used in the roof, their weight needs to be
considered. Moisture is another consideration, and there is a fire risk
if any loose straw is left exposed. Weight considerations are overcome
by the fact that web-beams built to the height of the bales can easily
bear their weight. To avoid moisture problems, it is important that the
bales be treated just as walls are. They need to have good ventilation
on the outer surface (a ventilation space) and should be coated with
some plaster (typically clay or lime plaster) that can absorb,
redistribute and release to the air any moisture. It cannot be
overemphasised that no straw should be left exposed, plastering should
be done in such a way that it acts as a suitable fire retardant."

Thanks for the input!

Duncan



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Date: 24 Mar 2006 15:50:10 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

At 9:44 AM -0800 3/24/06, Martin Hammer wrote:
>
>I also invite new GSBN member Bob Theis (is he in yet?) to weigh in.

I have not yet gotten a response from Bob, Maren, or Ken.

Rikki has joined.

- --
Bill Christensen
<<a  target="_blank" href="http://sustainablesources.com/contact/";>http://sustainablesources.com/contact/</a>>

Green Building Professionals Directory: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://directory.sustainablesources.com";>http://directory.sustainablesources.com</a>>
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Straw Bale Registry: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/";>http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/</a>>
Books/videos/software: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/";>http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/</a>>


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Date: 24 Mar 2006 16:03:43 -0600
From: billc_lists@...
Subject: Re: GSBN:Chopped Straw as Ceiling Insulation

At 9:19 PM +0100 3/24/06, Duncan Lithgow wrote:
>On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 11:17 -0600, Joyce Coppinger wrote:
>>  Kris Dick wrote an article on use of rice hulls for insulation for TLS#47
>>  which can be downloaded from the TLS web site www.thelaststraw.org (click
on
>>  back issues and scroll down or do a search on the word "rice").
>The link ( <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.thelaststraw.org/articles/Rice%20Hull%";>http://www.thelaststraw.org/articles/Rice%20Hull%</a>
>20House.pdf ) doesn't work anymore. Is it the same article as linked
>here: ( <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.esrla.com/pdf/The-Rice-Hull-House2.pdf";>http://www.esrla.com/pdf/The-Rice-Hull-House2.pdf</a> ) by Paul A.
>Olivier?


It works for me... but the URL shouldn't have spaces in it, and the
one you have above doesn't have /backissues/ in it.

Try <a  target="_blank" href="http://thelaststraw.org/backissues/articles/RiceHullHouse.pdf";>http://thelaststraw.org/backissues/articles/RiceHullHouse.pdf</a>



>
>>  Please check
>>  with Kris Dick (krisdick@mts.net) before linking this article to the Wiki
>  > book.
>There is no precedent for asking permission to link to a page on the
>net. I'm not copying the texts into the wikibook, just incorporating
>bits of information and referencing the report I get the info from.

Typically those who put pages on the web *expect* others to link to
them and *appreciate* when links are made to them.  Among other
things, it increases your ranking with search engines.


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