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            <p>>Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:57:01 -0700 
>From: "John Swearingen" <<a href="<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:jswearingen@...";>mailto:jswearingen@...>jswearingen@...> 
>Subject: RE: GSBN:Compression &amp;amp; bumble bees 
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>>This effect is the most marked in the initial phase of force application ie 
>3-7% deformation. In this phase the rough exterior faces are pressed into 
>each other ie until the whole wall or single bale exhibits a more or less 
>uniform density.< 
> 
>This brings up the notion that by filling in between the  bales with a nice 
>straw/clay mix, both at the ends and between courses (just enough so that 
>bale faces still touch but the gaps are filled) you would create the 
>strongest of walls.  This approach, it seems to me, would be superior to 
>most of the methods of "pre-compression", which only serve to take up the 
>horizontal gaps, and perhaps do so inefficiently. 
> 
>John "Mud-Daubber" Swearingen 
> 
> 
>John Swearingen 
>  SKILLFUL MEANS 
>design and construction 
>  www.skillful-means.com 
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>-----Original Message----- 
>From: GSBN [mailto:<a href="<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...>GSBN@...] On Behalf Of Rene Dalmeijer 
>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:56 AM 
>To: GSBN 
>Subject: Re: GSBN:Compression &amp;amp; bumble bees 
> 
> 
>John, 
> 
>Point taken. 
> 
>Yes the bales actually stiffen or put otherwise the modulas of E actually 
>increases. This effect is the most marked in the initial phase of force 
>application ie 3-7% deformation. In this phase the rough exterior faces are 
>pressed into each other ie until the whole wall or single bale exhibits a 
>more or less uniform density. 
> 
>John I have the impression both things are happening the strings are 
>resisting bulging of the bales and more grain stalks on end. As you state 
>the latter depends on the baling machine used. Most of the bales I have 
>access to are quite random and obviously different to the tested german 
>bales with a clear orientation. 
> 
>Rene 
>On Aug 22, 2006, at 21:38, John Swearingen wrote: 
> 
>>  I admit to taking liberties with the fine work being done, just to 
>>  make a point, and I'm sure they are gathering information that will be 
>>  useful to us 
>>  all. 
>> 
>>  It appears that what you're saying is that, for very high loads, the 
>>  degree of deformation of the bales determines the carrying capacity.  
>>  This is obviously the case with bales put in a wall, and I'm surmising 
>>  that it's the 
>>  reason that bales on edge perform better than laid flat--on edge, the 
>>  strings act to constrain the bales from bulging along their width?  Or 
>>  does 
>>  it have to do with the direction of the grain.  If that's the case, 
>>  then 
>>  that needs to be pointed out, because different baling machines gather 
>>  the 
>>  stalks in different directions. 
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