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-> FW: European Straw Bale Gathering in eco village 'Sieben Linden' August, 5.
9.  2007
     by "Dirk Scharmer- FASBA" ds@...
-> Natural Building Colloquium East, Bath NY
     by Mark Piepkorn mark@...
-> Natural Building Colloquium Texas
     by Mark Piepkorn mark@...
-> Re: GSBN: Wind loads and racking
     by Martin Hammer mfhammer@...
-> dipping bales and plank whacking
     by "Andy Horn" andy@...
-> Re: GSBN: Wind loads and racking
     by john@...


Date: 7 Jun 2007 05:01:42 -0500
From: "Dirk Scharmer- FASBA" ds@...
Subject: FW: European Straw Bale Gathering in eco village 'Sieben Linden'
August, 5. 9.  2007

Dear friends.

As we informed you in January  the Association for Straw Bale
Construction in Germany (Fasba)) had the idea to continue the tradition
of the European Straw Bale Gathering (ESBG), which was hold last in 2002
in Austria.

We choosed the location of the eco-village Siebenlinden/Germany
(www.7linden.de), which some of you may know already. It has three large
straw bale houses and some smaller experimental constructions. This year
a new big building will be errected, and a small load bearing cabin too.

A workcamp will take place from August 5.-9. This gives the opportunity
to get to know the ecovillage and its different building techniques.

The Gathering itself will take place from August 9. - 12.
There would be time for presentation of activities from different
countries, for intensive technical interchange, lectures and
thematic work groups as well as for open space meetings to have enough
input and time to network between the participants.
Perhaps there will be also impulses for following European activities.

Additional straw bale construction sites in Germany will be announced in
advance for people who might take the chance to visit interesting sites.

We would appreciate very much, if all participating countries and groups
would present an overview about their straw bale activities and their
main emphasis of their work as well as their practical knowledge with
construction materials, the handling of official permissions, tests and
their results, good and bad practice and their conclusions as well as
the outlook for future development.

There will be also space for exhibitions and poster presentations of
various projects.

We have already initial postings from France, Spain, Portugal, Denmark,
the UK, the USA and Afganistan....

If you register before the 1. of July you will have a solid discount.

The application sheet, the preliminary programm and a the explanation
how to get there is posted in English on the webside of fasba.de:
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.fasba.de/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=150&amp;Itemid=1";>http://www.fasba.de/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=150&amp;Itemid=1</a>

Please give these informations into your circles and organisations, so
that it may reach as many people as possible.

A program flyer will be available soon.

Best wishes and much success with your work!!

Sissy Hein (sh@fasba.de)

of the preparation team of the FASBA

Sissy Hein
Auf dem Schloss
D- 99438 Tonndorf
0049 1577 3910141


Date: 7 Jun 2007 09:14:12 -0500
From: Mark Piepkorn mark@...
Subject: Natural Building Colloquium East, Bath NY

I go to this regional natural building colloquium 
every year... so this can be considered an 
endorsement, for whatever that's worth.

This year the scope is being expanded to include 
more permaculture and life-choices presentations 
and information... stuff that can be put to use 
*now,* in any living situation. I'm particularly 
excited at the prospect of hanging out with Jim 
Merkel, who wrote the excellent book Radical 
Simplicity (which could just as easily have been 
titled Common-Sense Simplicity). And one of my 
heroes, David Eisenberg, will be there again this 
year, as well as couple other people on GSBN, perhaps. See below for more.

- - - - - -

Tuesday, July 31 - Saturday, August 4, 2007
Natural Building and Sustainable Living Colloquium
hosted by The PeaceWeavers :: Thunder Mountain - Bath, New York
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/";>http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/</a>

 From natural building and permaculture 
techniques to water and energy conservation... 
from alternative fuels to sourcing your food 
locally... this event is important for everyone 
concerned about how their lifestyle impacts our Earth.

It's the fourth year that the PeaceWeavers have 
hosted this family-friendly event at the Thunder 
Mountain Retreat Center near Bath, New York, 
offering very full days of teaching, learning, 
building, and networking. Top experts, authors, 
educators, innovators, designers, and builders 
offer hands-on experience and educational 
presentations with close-to-the-earth building materials and lifestyle

But in the end, there's one really important 
thing that makes these events amazing. Sure, 
there's all kinds of new, fun, valuable things to 
learn - tactile, hands-in-the-mud stuff that you 
just don't get from the books or the internet. 
Sure, people can pick up tricks and tips to save 
precious days and months of misdirected time and 
effort, as well as thousands of dollars of 
misspent money, on their own projects and in 
their lives. Sure, there's the great food, the 
beautiful natural setting, the music, and so much 
more. But in the end, the most rewarding and 
inspiring thing is the rare privilege of being 
with so many talented, smart, caring, willing, 
extraordinary people... some of whom just happen 
to be world-class natural builders, sustainable 
thinkers, and do-gooders. It's the people - all 
of them - who come together at Thunder Mountain that are the best thing of

Join us for our 4th Natural Building 
Colloquium!  - a hands-on event with an emphasis 
on natural building and sustainable living in the 
northeastern climate. Meet and be inspired by 
some of the movement's foremost natural builders, 
designers, and sustainable living educators.

Workshops, demonstrations, and presentations 
include such topics as: Strawbale &aacute; cob &aacute; 
cordwood &aacute; timber framing &aacute; earth sheltered 
buildings &aacute; straw-clay infill &aacute; permaculture &aacute; 
community-supported agriculture &aacute; living roofs &aacute; 
thatching &aacute; renewable energy (wind, solar, and 
more) &aacute; natural plasters &amp; finishes &aacute; building 
with hemp &aacute; alternative fuels &aacute; log cabin 
construction &aacute; international building projects &aacute; 
building codes &aacute; and much more...

For registration and more info:
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/";>http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/</a>

Invited presenters include:
Laura Bartels
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.greenweaverinc.com/";>http://www.greenweaverinc.com/</a>
Larry Brown
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18304214&amp;BRD=1769&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=81974&amp;rfi=6";>http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18304214&amp;BRD=1769&amp;PAG=461&amp;dept_id=81974&amp;rfi=6</a>
Dan Chiras
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.chelseagreen.com/authors/DanielDChiras";>http://www.chelseagreen.com/authors/DanielDChiras</a>
Aaron Dennis
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.tugleywood.com/";>http://www.tugleywood.com/</a>
Sam Droege
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.thelaststraw.org/backissues/articles/52_31.html";>http://www.thelaststraw.org/backissues/articles/52_31.html</a>
David Eisenberg
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.dcat.net/";>http://www.dcat.net/</a>
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.foodroutes.org/";>http://www.foodroutes.org/</a>
Sarah Highland
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20040713/localnews/831753.html";>http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20040713/localnews/831753.html</a>
Joe Jenkins
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.josephjenkins.com/";>http://www.josephjenkins.com/</a>
Tim Owen-Kennedy
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.vitalsystems.net/";>http://www.vitalsystems.net/</a>
Sigi Koko
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.buildnaturally.com/";>http://www.buildnaturally.com/</a>
Mark Lakeman
<a  target="_blank" href="http://activistarchitect.blogspot.com/2005/11/mark-lakeman-communitecture-and-city.html";>http://activistarchitect.blogspot.com/2005/11/mark-lakeman-communitecture-and-city.html</a>
Sarah Machtey
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.potkettleblack.com/natbild/sarahtree/";>http://www.potkettleblack.com/natbild/sarahtree/</a>
Chris Magwood
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.flemingc.on.ca/Full-time/ProgramDisplay.cfm?ProgramCode=SBD";>http://www.flemingc.on.ca/Full-time/ProgramDisplay.cfm?ProgramCode=SBD</a>
Jim Merkel
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2003/12/01.html";>http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2003/12/01.html</a>
Darren Molnar Port
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.state.nj.us/dca/dh/gho/";>http://www.state.nj.us/dca/dh/gho/</a>
Mark Piepkorn
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mark+Piepkorn%22";>http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Mark+Piepkorn%22</a>
Ed Raduazo
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.cobbuildersforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16";>http://www.cobbuildersforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16</a>
Mark Shepard
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.centerforsustainablecommunity.org/Events/Permaculture/ShepardBio.html";>http://www.centerforsustainablecommunity.org/Events/Permaculture/ShepardBio.html</a>
Ben Simpson
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Ben+Simpson%22+%22Growing+Places%22";>http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Ben+Simpson%22+%22Growing+Places%22</a>
Kim Thompson
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.naturalbuilding.ca/";>http://www.naturalbuilding.ca/</a>

Presenters, workshops, &amp; presentations are not final and are subject to

Photos from previous years
Natural Building Colloquium East 2004 - 2006
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.potkettleblack.com/natbild/building-with-spirit/";>http://www.potkettleblack.com/natbild/building-with-spirit/</a>
Peaceweaver's photoblog - 2004 (you may need to 
reload the page after it loads the first time to 
get it to land at the right spot)
<a  target="_blank" href="http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_peaceweaving_archive.html#110781369711134258";>http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_peaceweaving_archive.html#110781369711134258</a>
Peaceweaver's photoblog - 2005 (you may need to 
reload the page after it loads the first time to 
get it to land at the right spot)
<a  target="_blank" href="http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_peaceweaving_archive.html#112457127267181719";>http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_peaceweaving_archive.html#112457127267181719</a>
Peaceweaver's photoblog - 2006 (you may need to 
reload the page after it loads the first time to 
get it to land at the right spot)
   <a  target="_blank" href="http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html#115815026590410856";>http://peaceweaving.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html#115815026590410856</a>

For registration and more info:
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/";>http://www.peaceweavers.com/bws/</a>


Date: 7 Jun 2007 09:32:23 -0500
From: Mark Piepkorn mark@...
Subject: Natural Building Colloquium Texas

Another one I'm excited about this year. It's the first time for this
one, but shaping up to be a great event - held on the grounds of the
annual Kerrville Folk Festival, a couple hours outside of Austin or
San Antonio. See the website at <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.naturalbuildingtexas.org/";>http://www.naturalbuildingtexas.org/</a>

- - - - - -

October 19-28, 2007
Quiet Valley Ranch in Kerrville, Texas

In the spirit of strengthening and expanding our community of natural
builders, central Texas invites you to attend a Natural Building
Colloquium, October 19-28. Colloquia are gatherings of people,
ranging from experienced to simply curious, who come to learn from
each other, to synergize their experience and to remind themselves of
their larger vision.

In our case, the vision is of a lifestyle and building culture that
could repeat itself indefinitely through successive generations. With
careful searching many of us have concluded that the use of locally
abundant, unprocessed materials such as earth, stone, straw and
native timber provide the structure with which to achieve this
vision. Cob, adobe, cob, earthbag, leichtlehm (straw-clay),
strawbale, and timber frame are a few of the types of systems that
exemplify this philosophy. Permaculture helps us integrate human
patterns into the landscape surrounding our homes.

There are other important aspects as well: delicious food that
nourishes the body, music, laughter, creativity, families of all
sorts, eager minds and willing hands. We seek to create homes that
comfort the body and lift the soul. If you possess or aspire to any
of the above, we invite you to join us this fall.


Date: 7 Jun 2007 10:23:48 -0500
From: Martin Hammer mfhammer@...
Subject: Re: GSBN: Wind loads and racking

> Bruce King wrote:

>> If it can be yanked out (or in), i.e., away
>> from the plane of the plaster, then it's doing you no good.

> This seems to point to a crucial flaw in the wire-tie proposal?

> -AW

Andrew, I agree.  I think if one uses through-ties, they need to be attached
to mesh, or the ties need to turn substantially up and/or down into the
plaster to engage it.  (This is also my answer to Chris Magwood's question
about through-ties without mesh.)

By the way, re: your other question about mesh.  In California we typically
use 2"x2"x14 gauge galvanized welded wire mesh in cement, cement-lime, or
lime plasters, and 2x2 polypropylene mesh in clay or lime plasters, or
occasionally no mesh for small non-loadbearing buildings.  In Pakistan
Darcey Donovan and I are trying to use only clay plasters and are using
chopped straw reinforcement and external bamboo pins, or fishing net and no
pins.  Both California and northern Pakistan are subject to large magnitude

I'm grappling with this whole issue of through-ties (grasping at straws if
you will) to fully understand/explain it.  But generally I don't see the
point of through-ties without mesh.  And I don't believe through-ties are
necessary at all except in extreme circumstances.  Later today I will see
Kevin Donahue (structural engineer who conducted EBNet's out-of-plane tests)
and will pass on any insight I obtain from him.

But to put this in some kind of grounded perspective, has anyone ever seen a
structural failure, or even just plaster cracks, which they could attribute
to out-of-plane wind or seismic loads on a plastered straw bale wall?
Including walls with no through ties and no mesh?

If a hurricane, cyclone, or "the big one" is a possibility, then the
building should be designed for it, whatever that might mean.  But I don't
think we need to make our buildings stronger for its own sake.  We only need
to make them strong enough . . .

Martin Hammer


Date: 7 Jun 2007 17:13:50 -0500
From: "Andy Horn" andy@...
Subject: dipping bales and plank whacking

Further on bale dipping / plank whacking or forming:

It is true Rikki, much of the pinning seems pretty redundant with a dipping
process. However, in our sever Cape Storms, I'm leaning (no pun intended) to
doing more horizontal pinning and less vertical pinning. I've long since
bothered about doing any bottom pinning.

With the "whacking with a plank method" ....just be careful not to whack on
areas that have started to dry out...so it needs to be applied in good
time....and worked like cob...helping to compact and flatten the surface.
I have also found that if you want straighter walls ...2 planks to guide the
external corner walls, work wonders for the corner profile of the building.
Afterward you can take down the guides once the wall is up, to work the
corners with a cobbing stick around the corners of the walls and to round
off and strengthen. 


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- -----Original Message-----
From: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] On Behalf Of Rikki Nitzkin
Sent: 01 June 2007 06:28 PM
To: 'GSBN'
Subject: RE: GSBN:"squaring" &amp; Thermal dipping

I think the most important thing is to get the slip onto and into the bale
BEFORE compression because it is easier to penetrate.  Also having the clay
on before you continue with the next row of bales stabilizes the wall enough
that almost no pinning (external or internal) is necessary.  

Rikki Nitzkin
Aulas, Lleida, Espana
(0034)657 33 51 62 
www.casasdepaja.com (Red de Construccion con Balas de Paja)
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] En nombre de Mark Schueneman
> Enviado el: sabado, 26 de mayo de 2007 2:30
> Para: GSBN
> Asunto: Re: GSBN:"squaring" &amp; Thermal dipping
> Yet a couple more methods of squaring ends for a flat fit;
> Curtis Scheib, who lives here in Colorado, showed me his method; he cuts
> about a 9 inch long 2x6 and wraps it with expanded metal lath and uses it
> as a sander on both ends...squares them up rather well in short order.
> Works on beer bellies too, a bit more messy. I showed this to some folks
> at
> a work party and the next weekend when I returned they had several
> variations on this system; they fashioned expanded metal lath to the
> bottom
> of a Darby (3-4 foot long wood float with double handles) and rubbed the
> ends or just wrap any dimension of lumber that comfortably fits the users
> hand with the lath and fasten with staples. I would say that 15 seconds or
> less of some vigorous rub-a-dub on each end is all it takes.
> I've seen others here just use a chainsaw to cut along the end twine for
> square ends. This scares me that you could, and sometimes do, cut the
> twine
> and lose the bale. Those who use this method on a regular basis have
> gotten
> quite good, cut no twine and have bale ends that fit together like bales
> stacked on edge, almost.
> On the dipping issue...has anyone ever used one of the small hand held
> sprayers, we call them tirolessa sprayers. I've never 'dipped' but the
> results sound similar to this sprayer and saves lifting the heavy bales
> (important for anyone over a certain age). You simply mix your clay rich
> slip mix, pour some into a wheelbarrow or bucket, dip some mix into the
> small hopper of the hand held sprayer and blast it onto the bales. With
> two
> worker types mixing and feeding the one operator of the sprayer you can
> cover a lot of wall in a day. One thing I've never done though is the
> 'whacking the plank' method after spraying for straightening and
> compacting
> Andy Horn speaks of. We generally let the pressure of the air blasting the
> slip onto the bales dry as is, which gives the scratch coat a good bonding
> surface. This method seems to work rather well/simply but I will try the
> plank whack and trowel.
> The tirolessa sprayer (weapon of mass construction) can be found at
> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/tiro.htm";>http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/tiro.htm</a> for $215 US. Or, throw in your
> handy TLS CD and see how to make your own small sprayer, instructions in
> TLS 39, pages. 17 &amp; 18.
> Mark 'been quiet until today' Schueneman
> Colorado Straw Bale Association
> 303-444-6027 hm./of.
> 303-591-9841 cell
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rene Dalmeijer rene.dalmeijer@...
> > To: GSBN GSBN@...
> > Date: 5/25/2007 10:40:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: GSBN:"squaring" round corners
> >
> > Rikki,
> >
> > I first saw redistribution of the rounded bale end doen bij Lars Keller
> > at the ISBBC in Australie. I can't remember his exact technique based
> > on his method though I developed a technique for really tight bales
> > using a claw hammer. You ram the claw of the hammer in the "belly" thus
> > yanking a wad of straw downwards roll the bale over to the other side
> > and repeat the procedure this works really fast and is very effective
> > in getting a square bale. It does not work for floppy bales.
> >
> > Rene
> > On May 25, 2007, at 13:07, Rikki Nitzkin wrote:
> >
> > > Barbara Jones taught me a method which makes a huge difference in
> > > getting a
> > > tight fit between bales:
> > >
> > > Before placing the bale, you take the "belly" part at the end and with
> > > a
> > > pulling/twisting/pushing motion re-distribute the straw up and down
> > > the end
> > > of the bale.  This gives you a relatively flat surface which makes a
> > > tighter
> > > fit and a lot less stuffing.
> > >
> > > Rikki Nitzkin
> > > Aulas, Lleida, Espana
> > > rikkinitzkin@...
> > > (0034)657 33 51 62
> > > www.casasdepaja.com (Red de Construccion con Balas de Paja)
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Mensaje original-----
> > >> De: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] En nombre de Andre de
> > >> Bouter
> > >> Enviado el: viernes, 25 de mayo de 2007 8:17
> > >> Para: GSBN
> > >> Asunto: Re: GSBN:Re Thermal Properties of Straw Bale Walls
> > >>
> > >> During a BWB workshop Ari Gore shared yet another little improvement
> > >> for
> > >> getting rid of the holes between the bales layed flat as the bales
> > >> tend
> > >> to have rounded corners on the up- and bottom side. Simply lay a
> > >> handful
> > >> of straw on the joints between the bales before you place the next
> > >> row.
> > >>
> > >>  ______ * _____ * _____ * _____  * _____
> > >> |______ ||______ ||______ ||______ ||______ |
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Also place a handful next to the bale before placing the next one.
> > >>
> > >> |______ |
> > >>                *
> > >>
> > >> A lot easier than pushing the straw (or straw-clay) in once the wall
> > >> is
> > >> up.
> > >>
> > >> And you'll notice that bales on edge (or on end for that matter)
> > >> match
> > >> much better (the rounded corners are now on the surface and easily
> > >> plastered.
> > >>
> > >> Bye,
> > >> Andre
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> billc a ecrit :
> > >>> At 8:08 AM +1000 5/25/07, John Glassford wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We prefer to build them in the raw and do a solid pre-compression
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> then fill any gaps with a cob mix.
> > >>>
> > >>> Since it can be difficult to do gap-filling in the first place,
> would
> > >>> it make better sense to stuff and *then* compress, allowing the
> straw
> > >>> to mold into the cob?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Bill Christensen
> > >>> billc@...
> > >>>
> > >>> Green Building Professionals Directory:
> > >>> <<a  target="_blank" href="http://directory.sustainablesources.com";>http://directory.sustainablesources.com</a>>
> > >>> Sustainable Building Calendar:
> > >>> <<a  target="_blank" href="http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/";>http://SustainableSources.com/calendar/</a>>
> > >>> Green Real Estate: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://SustainableSources.com/realestate/";>http://SustainableSources.com/realestate/</a>>
> > >>> Straw Bale Registry: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/";>http://sbregistry.sustainablesources.com/</a>>
> > >>> Books/videos/software: <<a  target="_blank" href="http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/";>http://bookstore.sustainablesources.com/</a>>
> > >>> ----
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> > >>> list, send email to GSBN@...HELP in the
> > >>> SUBJECT line.  ----
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John Glassford a ecrit :
> > >>> Good idea Bill and in effect that what happens but with good
> > >>> preparation of each bale and good bales in the first place this is
> > >>> not
> > >>> such a problem gaps that is.  Also the pre-compression using all
> > >>> thread as per Steens or the hybrid method seen here is the way to
> go:
> > >>>
> > >>> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_meredith.htm";>http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_meredith.htm</a>
> > >>>
> > >>> The rods on each side of the wall every 1.8 metres work a treat and
> > >>> are much easer and stronger than any other method that I have used
> > >>> including fencing wire, gripples and straps of all types.
> > >>>
> > >>> Just my two bobs worth mate.
> > >>>
> > >>> Kind regards
> > >>> El Lupo
> > >>> Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
> > >>> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/";>http://www.glassford.com.au/</a>
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> > >>> <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.coolamonrotary.com/kili/";>http://www.coolamonrotary.com/kili/</a>
> > >>> 61 2 6927 6027
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Date: 7 Jun 2007 17:57:31 -0500
From: john@...
Subject: Re: GSBN: Wind loads and racking

G ' day Andrew

Sorry to see that you are asked for pinning renders as requested by
your engineer for this job.  I just do not see the need for such a
method with renders even in your cyclone areas.

We are adopting a tie down method for both infill and load bearing
call it a hybrid if you like.  I always thought that the Queensland
tie down method was overkill until we used it and it can be seen here:

<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_meredith.htm";>http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_meredith.htm</a>


<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_beaufort.htm";>http://www.glassford.com.au/Custom_beaufort.htm</a>

We are placing all thread in pairs every 1.8 metres and beside each
window and door opening.  It is  easy and works very well.  The all
thread is anchored to the footings and up through the top plates.  We
also use the method on in-fill frames:

<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/South%20Coast%20NSW.htm";>http://www.glassford.com.au/South%20Coast%20NSW.htm</a>

Renders with both earth and lime we use a 10mm square fibre mesh
between the last coat and penultimate cost as well we fold the mesh
around window and door openings to prevent any cracking.  It works
very well and we do not tie it in with any pins.  If you want your
engineer to liase with ours please let me know it may help your cause.
 See above web site for the details.

All the best

John Glassford
Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
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Mount Kilimanjaro Climb 28/8/07
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