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-> Re: GSBN: Lime plaster problems
     by Derek Roff derek@...
-> RE: GSBN:Re: Lime plaster problems
     by "Brian Hodge - Anvill" brian@...


Date: 27 Sep 2007 09:13:56 -0500
From: Derek Roff derek@...
Subject: Re: GSBN: Lime plaster problems

- --On Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:37 PM +0000 Andy Horn
andy@... wrote:

> On the first morning after applying the plaster the weather
> turned at night and brought frost...2 months ahead of when it is
> normally expected! There were sheets of ice in the water buckets
> that morning!

I am curious about the comment that this freeze was 2 months _ahead_
of the expectation.  I'm thinking that, as of the date of Andy's
message in late September, South Africa is moving into Spring and
looking forward to the warmer temperatures of summer.  Perhaps the
plaster was applied in April or May?  Andy, can you clarify what
temperatures were "normal" when the plaster was applied, what the
normal freezing season is like (and when), and what weather you
expect from now into the next few months, when you will be
re-applying the plaster?

A few more questions come to mind from your description of the
problem.  There is a great deal of variation between different lime
sources/stocks.  Is there an alternative to hydrated lime that you
used?  Is this brand of lime generally reliable when used in the
manner that you applied it?  Is it possible that the bags of lime
which you used had been stored improperly or were very old?  Does
soaking this specific lime for days or weeks prior to application
have a significant positive effect on this lime's working properties?
(While hydrated lime is slaked at the factory, some members of the SB
lists report that their hydrated limes get better with soaking).  Did
anyone do test samples of this lime, using your mix and application

You mention adding a small amount of adobe soil to the render mix.
Soils vary tremendously, and some of them are not happy companions
with lime.  Some soils and mix ratios can decrease the strength
and/or adhesion of the render.  Is there a compelling reason to
include the soil in your mix?  If so, testing various mixes and
ratios could be enlightening.  Please tell us more about how much
adobe soil was added, and if possible, what the pH of the soil is.


Derek Roff
Language Learning Center
Ortega Hall 129, MSC03-2100
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001
505/277-7368, fax 505/277-3885
Internet: derek@...


Date: 27 Sep 2007 15:27:42 -0500
From: "Brian Hodge - Anvill" brian@...
Subject: RE: GSBN:Re: Lime plaster problems

Hi Andy,
I agree with John. We have been doing a very similar thing for about 5
years and have not found it necessary to add the lime putty top coat. We
have even done it without chaff with a great deal of success.



Anvil Straw

- -----Original Message-----
From: GSBN [<a  target="_blank" href="mailto:GSBN@...";>mailto:GSBN@...] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 27 September 2007 7:53 AM
Cc: Andy Horn
Subject: Re: GSBN:Re: Lime plaster problems

G ' day Andy

My two rands worth mate.

You will need to remove the lime coat and scratch up the earth as others
have said.

I would then apply a mix of earth/lime/sand and chaff or chopped straw.

All depends on the clay content of your earth but I would look at
something like this 3 parts soil 2 parts lime 3 parts sand 1 part chaff.
I use buckets for this mix.  It works well and binds well with the
earthen render.  Then if you want you can apply a finish coat of lime
render however I have not found that necessary in most cases except for

You can see a house we renedered with earth, then earth/lime/sand/chaff,
then lime/sand, here:

<a  target="_blank" href="http://glassford.com.au/Jumbo.htm";>http://glassford.com.au/Jumbo.htm</a>

No delamination no cracks and it is nearly 6 years since we finished

Was in Cape Town a few weeks ago but did not have time to see much it
was a Rotary trip with Hout Bay.  We will be back next year for an
extended visit, see you then.

Kind regards
The Straw Wolf
Huff 'n' Puff Constructions
<a  target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/";>http://www.glassford.com.au/</a>

61 2 6927 6027

Mount Kilimanjaro Climb 28/8/07 <a  target="_blank" href="http://www.coolamonrotary.com/kili/";>http://www.coolamonrotary.com/kili/</a>
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